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Buying a new PC - advice please.
« on: Friday 02 January 09 15:24 UTC (UK) »

I'm looking to buy a new PC in the next month or so.

I've been doing my best to try to understand all the techno-speak and found a handy blog which explains a lot of what was previously pretty meaningless to me!  Embarrassed

However, there are 2 things I'm still not sure about - apologies if they're elementary to most of you!

First, the processor. The sites I've been on recommend an Intel Premium Dual Core/Core 2 Duo Processor. I keep coming across Athlon 64x2 processors - is there a big difference or do they essentially do the same job? Or should I be sticking to the Intel?

Second, sound. This might make you smile but I don't know the answer so have to ask - a blog that I read, says

"Even basic PCs come with built in sound, so you can at least plug in some speakers or headphones. A good home PC deal will include at least a pair of speakers."

but I have seen online Desktop package offers which don't include speakers, and Tesco even have one which under the "Sound" heading, says "none".  Huh

Do the modern LCD monitors have inbuilt speakers? Or does the package assume I will buy speakers separately? I have a pair of speakers plugged into my current ancient PC - would they be okay to recycle and use with a new PC?

This whole thing is a bit of a minefield if you're not au fait with all the terminology, but I'm determined to give it a whirl!!  Grin

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Re: Buying a new PC - advice please.
« Reply #1 on: Friday 02 January 09 15:34 UTC (UK) »

Jill - I can't answer the techie bits, but we've just got a new PC - new "box" which came with keyboard & mouse - we've re-used the screen & speakers from the old PC with no problems. I suppose there may be reasons to have new speakers, but I doubt there's much difference in quality of the ones supplied with most PC packages; though like those for hifi systems I daresay there are superior ones around for those with different requirements/better hearing than me.
A minor point - PCs seem to be like TVs - a different colour casing comes in every few years. Current fashions seem to be either silver-grey or black so older speakers may not colour-co-ordinate.
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Re: Buying a new PC - advice please.
« Reply #2 on: Friday 02 January 09 19:09 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jill...

When you read the blurb for a new PC and it says speakers = none it means it doesn't come with external speakers you plug in. All pcs come with a basic sound system which is inbuilt to the main (mother) board inside the pc. If you look at the back of the pc there will be a green jack where you can plug in speakers (if your not a music/film/game junkie your old ones will work fine). There will also be a jack to plug in your headphones.
Anyone wanting anything better than the basic can add super-dooper sound cards and flashy speakers to listen to whatever they are into  Roll Eyes

If your monitor has speakers, it will need a cable to connect into the green sound jack on the pc for it toproduce sound. Connecting just the monitor cable is for optical output only not sound.

Personally I don't know much about difference between the processor types you mention but Dual cor or Core will be sufficient depending on what you are using the pc for.  Just remember to go for the highest RAM 1/2/4GB within your price range.

Jenny
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Re: Buying a new PC - advice please.
« Reply #3 on: Friday 02 January 09 19:51 UTC (UK) »

You may find that cables are down as extras,  speakers most definitely are extras  You need also to know if the new computer is Vista  will your present peripherals  ie. printer,games, programmes that use disks (for genealogy) etc work with that system.

Ours didn't and the patches they advised didn't so we ended up with a new printer as well.  With a new computer set-up they now don't do internal modems for people who want them because they presume that everyone is on broadband. If you need a modem you have to buy an external one.

All needing extra pennies.

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Re: Buying a new PC - advice please.
« Reply #4 on: Friday 02 January 09 21:27 UTC (UK) »

Yes a minefield out there but at this time you should be able to pick up a bargain.  Just purchased new one myself. Processor Intel Core 2 Quad: 4GB ram: w/less keyboard and mouse: op system Vista. My existing
flat screen monitor with onboard speakers just plugged in. I had to purchase new printer as mine not compatable with Vista and new driver not available to download...Just a point :some of your older progs may not be compable with Vista...Good luck
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Re: Buying a new PC - advice please.
« Reply #5 on: Friday 02 January 09 21:46 UTC (UK) »

Re Processors the Intel Dual Core and the AMD 64x2 are basically doing the same job - both are dual core processors.

AMD chips are sometimes priced lower than the equivalent Intel chip  which should affect the overall price.

However in the past AMD chips had a reputation for running faster and hotter than the Intel ones and this often resulted in noisier systems as the fans worked to provide additional cooling. I am not sure of the situation with the dual core versions.

Although the technical press often give Intel the edge in various tests in the real world you and I are unlikely to spot the difference.

The only other point I would make is to get as much RAM (memory) as possible Vista is memory hungry but with sufficient memory runs exceedingly well ( the standard 32 bit version of Vista can see a maximum of 3.5 Gb of RAM)
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Re: Buying a new PC - advice please.
« Reply #6 on: Friday 02 January 09 21:54 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for those helpful comments.

It's comforting news - at least it seems that I'll be able to re-use my existing speakers. I need a new printer anyway, and I'd really like one of those nice LCD monitors.

Also good to know that this Athlon processor is as good as the the Intel Dual.

I've seen a package on PC World website which seems to fit the bill nicely, with Windows Vista Home Premium - and it comes with a 19" TFT Monitor (what does TFT stand for?)printer/scanner as well.

I don't play games on my PC (apart from the occasional Minesweeper!) so don't need anything fancy - it's really just for emails, internet and my family history, so am hoping that 2 GB Ram would be sufficient. What do you think?

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Re: Buying a new PC - advice please.
« Reply #7 on: Friday 02 January 09 21:59 UTC (UK) »

TFT = Thin Film Transistor

2Gb of Ram should be more than sufficient for your needs.

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Re: Buying a new PC - advice please.
« Reply #8 on: Friday 02 January 09 22:04 UTC (UK) »

Thanks, Falkyrn. Is TFT pretty much the same as LCD then?

Also, just spotted a package on the Tesco site - says hard drive type is SATA - what might that be then?   Undecided (It's an HP again).

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Re: Buying a new PC - advice please.
« Reply #9 on: Friday 02 January 09 22:09 UTC (UK) »

TFT and LCD are the same thing when it comes to monitors.

SATA Dives are the latest version of hard drives (Serial ATA) and faster than their predecessors which were known as IDE drives but which are now also referred to as PATA (Parallel ATA)
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Re: Buying a new PC - advice please.
« Reply #10 on: Friday 02 January 09 22:18 UTC (UK) »

Thanks again, Falkyrn.

I think that last one lost me a bit - but I'm getting there.

One more (probably very daft) question before I sign off for the night. How many MB rams are there in 1GB Ram? 1000?   Embarrassed

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Re: Buying a new PC - advice please.
« Reply #11 on: Friday 02 January 09 22:22 UTC (UK) »

Thanks again, Falkyrn.

I think that last one lost me a bit - but I'm getting there.

One more (probably very daft) question before I sign off for the night. How many MB rams are there in 1GB Ram? 1000?   Embarrassed

Jill

 Smiley    ..... The main difference between SATA and PATA drives (and to confuse things even more they are also known as Ultra ATA) is really the speed they work at transferring the information and the connection to your motherboard inside the computer. It would only have any bearing if you wanted to mount an old drive internally as a second hard drive.

Re MB & GB technically its 1024

have  a look at http://www.convertunits.com/from/MB/to/GB
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Re: Buying a new PC - advice please.
« Reply #12 on: Friday 02 January 09 23:31 UTC (UK) »

No good asking me about the ins and outs of computer guts - Mr. Indi takes care of that part of the biz....

However, when it comes to sound - I have a Dell PC with fairly decent speakers but my lovely Mr. Indi bought me a set of Harmon Kardon Sound Sticks  - they are superb - and if you like playing music - rock - classical - country - you MUST buy a set!

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« Reply #13 on: Saturday 03 January 09 11:20 UTC (UK) »

One point to look out for "integrated graphics" - If the system has integrated or onboard (i.e. built into the motherboard) graphics this often means that they share the memory with the main system and a 2Gb system may only have access to 1.5 as the other half GB is taken up by the graphics system. This has the overall effect of slowing down the system.

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Re: Buying a new PC - advice please.
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 03 January 09 12:38 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for the pointers.

I've also noticed that the mouse can be wired, optic or laser. I'm used to a wired one - and tried a wire-less one once but couldn't get it to work! Is there much difference in the operation of the other types?

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