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Topic: William McGowan b. Abt 1807 Kelton (Read 1226 times)
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MAINEYUSA
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William is my 3rd g-grandfather. I only know he was born around 1807 in Kelton. I know there is supposed to be a Kelton in Kirks, a well as a village called Kelton in Dumfries. Now which one they belong to I am not sure. My William married Janet "Jane" Kerr. Janet was born in Dalton, Dumfries, and their daughter Agnes was born Abt 1827 in Kelton, Kirks. So now I am completely confused since finding that there is a place called Kelton in Dumfries. I am not so sure that maybe I picked up the Kirks by looking online to see what county Kelton was in.
Agnes married Thomas Tweedie b. 1818 in "Cairne" Dalton Parish, Dumfries. Think the Cairne was short for Pleacairne, the farm the family lived on. They had 10 children. Thomas immigrated to the US with all but one of his children shortly after Agnes died in 1881. I have his naturalization records. I am looking for more information on the McGowan and Kerr families. Does anyone know of this family?
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Brenda
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HENSLEY, Hemsley, Norfolk, England>USA>VA, NC, TN, KY, ME
NICKERSON, St Peters Permontergate, Norwich, Norfolk, England>USA>MA>NH>ME
TWEEDIE, Dalton Par., Scotland, County Of Dumfries>USA>MA>ME
SAWYER, Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England>USA>MA>NH
JENKINS, Cornwall PEI Canada>USA>MA
TOURTILLOTTE, La Rochelle, Poitou Provence, France>USA>RI>MA>ME
COLLINS, ST. ANTHONE, SALTASH, CORNWALL, ENGLAND>USA>MD>VA>NC
PRATT, Aston, Clinton, Buckinghamshire, England> USA>MA>ME
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JustJean
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A search on scotlandspeople turns up a DC for Agnes mum in November of 1881 and Thomas was the informant for this too so he didn't sail for the US until after then. This gives you her parents names and the fact that she had survived hubbie William. A search for the DC for William McGowan turns up one in 1873 Troqueer age 83 that was married to Jane Kerr. If this is your William then perhaps he was born a bit before 1807???....not sure if this is the right one. The DC has parents names and a son Robert was the informant. Sorry but I've got no further data on either family.
Best wishes
Jean
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MAINEYUSA
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I have a copy of Agnes mothers death cert, it is William I am having the problem with. I have seen in some family trees online that William and Jane both may have been born in the 1790's, which is quite possible, I dont have anything definate on that. It sounds to me like the William in Troqueer is probably him. I will have to check SP for the cert and see what it says. Thanks for looking. Think I just needed a little extra confidence. The only child I have listed for them to this point is Agnes.
Brenda
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HENSLEY, Hemsley, Norfolk, England>USA>VA, NC, TN, KY, ME
NICKERSON, St Peters Permontergate, Norwich, Norfolk, England>USA>MA>NH>ME
TWEEDIE, Dalton Par., Scotland, County Of Dumfries>USA>MA>ME
SAWYER, Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England>USA>MA>NH
JENKINS, Cornwall PEI Canada>USA>MA
TOURTILLOTTE, La Rochelle, Poitou Provence, France>USA>RI>MA>ME
COLLINS, ST. ANTHONE, SALTASH, CORNWALL, ENGLAND>USA>MD>VA>NC
PRATT, Aston, Clinton, Buckinghamshire, England> USA>MA>ME
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Brenda
With the information that Jean found and a possible death for William in Troqueer 1873, there is this census entry in 1871 which is likely to relate to that couple:
William McGowan 78, gardener, b. Dumfries, Dumfriesshire
Jane McGowan 67, b. Dalton, Dumfriesshire
Address: West Cottage, Maxwelltown, Troqueer
The 1861 census shows the following:
William McGowan 65, Gardner, b.Dumfries
Jane McGowan 54, b. Dalton
Edward McGowan 78, son, (likely age is mistranscribed!), stationer, b. Kelton, Kirkcudbright
Robert McGowan 15, son (probably the one showing on the DC that Jean found who reported the death), b. Kelton, Kirkcudbright
Address: Moat Cottage, Troqueer
Certainly looks promising. Agnes and husband Thomas Tweedie married (or banns were called) in Dalton. What occupation showed for her father William on her death cert.?
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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akc
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Have you looked on the johnmcmillanfamilyhistory site? at the cemetery inscriptions. You,re Agnes McGowan,( wife of Thomas Tweedie) is there( died at Whitecroft, Dalton 2/2/1881) and Janet Kerr wife of William McGowan ( d 11/11/1881), Also Agnes Tweedie dau of Thomas Tweedie wife of William Campbell.
I also found Edward b to William Mcgowan and Janet Kerr in Kelton 28/3/1842.
AKC
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Dumfriesshire: Bell, Kerr, Dickson, Hetherington
Orkney: Cursiter, Peace, Drever, Cooper, Paterson
Cumberland: Charlton, Young
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MonicaLesl
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That birth year that you found AKC for Edward would then fit with the family's 1851 entry - all the children showing as born in Kelton:
William McGowan 52, agr. lab. , b. Dumfries
Jean McGowan 45, b. Torthorwald, Dumfries
James McGowan 19
Jean McGowan 12
Edward McGowan 9
Robert McGowan 7
Alexander Herr (Kerr?) 39, visitor, shopkeeper, b. Torthorwald, Dumfries
Address: Banks, Troqueer
We need to find Agnes at home with this family in the 1841 census to be more certain. Her marriage shows in January 1851, so she was already married by the time this census was taken.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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I think this entry is certainly one to check on the original image at SP. This is the closest I can see on the 1841 Census (not FreeCen which doesn't seem to include the 1841 Kelton entries):
William McGown 38, agr. lab.
Pear (Jean?) McGown 30
Agne P McGown 14
William McGown 12
James McGown 10
Mary McGown 8
Junscet (?spl) McGown 3
Address: South Queen Street, Kelton, Kirkcudbrightshire
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Gadget
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Hi
Just a comment about the Keltons 
There was a thread about this about 18 months ago (I'll go check and put up the link here). I think the one that is referred to here is Kelton Kirkcudbrightshire and the address that Monica has listed is in Castle Douglas (part of Kelton parish)
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Some of my relatives had property on King Street in the 1840s
Gadget
Added - here's part of the other thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,163821.msg767553.html#msg767553
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MAINEYUSA
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Ok,,,I found Williams DC, and it was the one in Troqueer. I guess I just need to learn how to use SP. Have wasted I don't know how many credits. I still cant find the one for Jane Kerr though. No matter how I search I am not finding her death in Nov 1881. Any suggestions?
Brenda
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HENSLEY, Hemsley, Norfolk, England>USA>VA, NC, TN, KY, ME
NICKERSON, St Peters Permontergate, Norwich, Norfolk, England>USA>MA>NH>ME
TWEEDIE, Dalton Par., Scotland, County Of Dumfries>USA>MA>ME
SAWYER, Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England>USA>MA>NH
JENKINS, Cornwall PEI Canada>USA>MA
TOURTILLOTTE, La Rochelle, Poitou Provence, France>USA>RI>MA>ME
COLLINS, ST. ANTHONE, SALTASH, CORNWALL, ENGLAND>USA>MD>VA>NC
PRATT, Aston, Clinton, Buckinghamshire, England> USA>MA>ME
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Gadget
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Hi
There is a death reg on SP in 1881 for Jane McGowan, other name Kerr, aged 75, in Dalton, Dumfries
Yesterday I was involved in doing lookups on another thread. It might be related to your Kerrs:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,351930.0.html
Hope this helps.
Gadget
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akc
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I think the Janet you are referring to is our Janet Kerr b 1805 Dalton. Her parents are George Kerr and Mary Dickson. I have been trying to find the connection to William Mcgowan but so far no luck! Janet had as far as we know 5 siblings: Robert Henderson Kerr b 1801 Whitecroft, Dalton, Francis Henderson Kerr b 1809 Pyhills, Annie b 1814, Anna b 1807 and possibly David?b 1808( a father George Kerr is mentioned on his birth cert but no mother) and Mary b 1811
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Dumfriesshire: Bell, Kerr, Dickson, Hetherington
Orkney: Cursiter, Peace, Drever, Cooper, Paterson
Cumberland: Charlton, Young
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Gadget
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From the death cert. , the Jane Kerr, wife of William McGowan, was the daughter of James Kerr, a weaver, and Janet, m.s. Nielson.
So not the same Jane/Janet that AKC refers to
Gadget
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