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Topic: William McGowan b. Abt 1807 Kelton (Read 1503 times)
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Gadget
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I see that Jane/Janet is down as being b. Torthowald on the 1851 that Monica found.
There is an interesting baptism entry on SP that might be her given the variations in the spelling of the surname:
3 April 1806 Torthowald - Janet d/o James Kirkir, workman near Durm/Dourn ? Baptised 'next thursday apr 3rd by Mr Dickson'
Quite a few children showing to James Kerr and Janet Nielson on the IGI
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MAINEYUSA
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Thanks Gadget! I will check the IGI and see what they have. I did another search for the death record of Janet Kerr, and I found it finally. Seems if you do a specialized search instead of just the "all discticts" search, more shows up. Helps a lot to know where to look.
Thanks for your help
Brenda
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HENSLEY, Hemsley, Norfolk, England>USA>VA, NC, TN, KY, ME
NICKERSON, St Peters Permontergate, Norwich, Norfolk, England>USA>MA>NH>ME
TWEEDIE, Dalton Par., Scotland, County Of Dumfries>USA>MA>ME
SAWYER, Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England>USA>MA>NH
JENKINS, Cornwall PEI Canada>USA>MA
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MAINEYUSA
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If anyone wants to see a pic of Agnes (McGowan) Tweedie, I posted one for fixing on the boards. They have done a wonderful job with it. Here is the link:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,351709.0.html
I have several other pics from that time frame too. I will be posting them on the boards so if someone else is researching these people, they can have a copy of it.
Thankyou all for your help. Words cannot express the gratitude I feel.
Brenda
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HENSLEY, Hemsley, Norfolk, England>USA>VA, NC, TN, KY, ME
NICKERSON, St Peters Permontergate, Norwich, Norfolk, England>USA>MA>NH>ME
TWEEDIE, Dalton Par., Scotland, County Of Dumfries>USA>MA>ME
SAWYER, Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England>USA>MA>NH
JENKINS, Cornwall PEI Canada>USA>MA
TOURTILLOTTE, La Rochelle, Poitou Provence, France>USA>RI>MA>ME
COLLINS, ST. ANTHONE, SALTASH, CORNWALL, ENGLAND>USA>MD>VA>NC
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Scatza
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Just to answer your question about Kelton. There is only one parish called Kelton and it is in Kirkcudbrightshire. For some reason Scotland's People have it in Dumfriesshire which is wrong! This has been pointed out to them but nothing seems to have been done about it. Mary
Thought I'd add my tuppence worth  Kelton was, for whatever reason the registration/census people saw fit to do this, included in Dumfriesshire when Civil Registration took over from Parish records in 1855. My source? Some documents on the Dumfriess Council website (before the URL changed) that don't discuss this, but clearly show that this was when the change took place. The "turf wars" continue, but I have found it easier just to search in both counties when I am looking for somebody in Kelton....starting with Dumfriesshire. Geographically and for all other purposes, I understand that Kelton "belongs" to Kirkcudbrightshire ....Not so Callywoods 
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Gadget
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Georgraphically, the parish of Kelton (which includes Castle Douglas) is definitely in Kirkcudbrightshire - or the Stewartry.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/KKD/Kelton/index.html
The village of Kelton is in Dumfriesshire. For some unknown reason, the SP site has it under Dumfriesshire.
The whole area is now Dumfries and Galloway for Admin purposes.
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Scatza
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Agnes married Thomas Tweedie b. 1818 in "Cairne" Dalton Parish, Dumfries.
Thanks
Brenda
Brenda,
I have just posted a note on the Kelton controversy - which was the least complicated part! I am interested in the McGowan/Tweedie connection because I have Tweedies from Totherwald (DFS) and later Rerrick, in my McMurray tree. I will look through my stuff and see if I have Agnes and Thomas Tweedie, although I may not have followed all the Tweedie lines. If I find anything I will post again. Serendipitously my married name is McGowen, with an "e" ..... they came to the USA in 1755 S. Carolina! My McMurray tree (with Tweedies) is on ancestry.com. If you'd like an invitation, let me know.
Megan
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Gadget
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By the way Scatza - I've posted quite a bit on you McLeans today. In case you hadn't seen it.
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Scatza
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I saw it, saw that you were on-line too, and was busy tring to catch up with the latest. I recently lost my husband to leukemia so have not be around for a while 
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MAINEYUSA
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I have lots of Tweedie information too. My Aunt, who researched for many years before I started, handed down her genealogy to me. She wanted it to go to someone who would continue the work. I also have a copy of the Michael Forbes Tweedie genealogy published in 1902. My Agnes (McGosan) Tweedie died in Feb 1881 at Whitecroft. This is the farm they lived on in Dumfries, and I have several pics of this farm. Her husband and all but one of the children immigrated to the US in 1895. I have the naturalization papers of their son John. John would be my great grandfather. When coming to the US, they settled around the Boston Massachusetts area, living in Somerville, Franklin, and Medway. Thomas died in 1891, so we don't believe he was here long enough to be naturalized, or at least we haven't found the paperwork to date. My Tweedies came from the Drummelzier area, as for many generations they lived and died at the Drummelzier Castle. If I can do lookups for you in any of this genealogy I have, let me know. I would be glad to do this.
Brenda
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SAWYER, Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England>USA>MA>NH
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MAINEYUSA
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I think I am finally getting somewhere. I still have not found the birth record for Agnes McGowan, who was supposed to have been born around 1827 in Kelton. Her parents were William McGowan b. abt 1790 Kelton, I have his death record and he is listed on both his daughter's death record and that of his wife Janet Kerr who was born abt 1807 Dalton, Dumfries. William's death cert lists his parents as William McGowan b. 1755 Caerlaverock, and Mary Hannah. I found a marriage cert for them, they married 3 Jan 1784 in Dumfries. I found birth records for Agnes brothers: Robert and Edward, both born Kelton. I don't know why there would not be a record of birth for Agnes. I think maybe the date of 1827 is wrong. I did find a birth record for an Agnes McGowan 1827, but it lists her parents as William McGowan and Jane Hairstain. Don't think this is her. It seems her brothers were born 1842 and 1844. Agnes married Thomas Tweedie in 1851 Dalton Parish, so if she were not born 1827, then she married very young. I also found that Janet Kerr's parents were James Kerr and Janet Neilson, both supposed to be born in Dumfries. I will get there one day. Thankyou all for your help. I really appreciate it.
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SAWYER, Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England>USA>MA>NH
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lousia006
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I have found a record of a James Kerr, born 1850 in Troqueer, Kirkcudbright. He is on the 1851 Scotland census and 1861 England census living with the Laurie family. It says he is the grandson of a James Laurie. James also had a daughter called Janet.
In 1841 this family lived at High Arkland Farm House, Kelton, Kirkcudbrightshire.
in 1851(when James Kerr is first listed) they are living in Dumfries.
In 1861 they are living in Toxteth Park, Liverpool
Is this any relation?
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MAINEYUSA
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Could be related somehow, but not sure. My James was born 1781 in dumfries. He is in the 1841 census there, and he died in 1846. He was married to Janet Neilson. The only place I have found him so far is in the 1841. So many families then had all their children named the same thing. I do know that William McGowan was born in Kirks, so anything could be right. William and Jane (daughter of James) were living in Troqueer in the 1861 census. Could be that the census of 1841 is wrong as listing James birth place (we all know THAT never happens!!). Thanks for the reply. I will have to check that out a little further, maybe he is related to my family somehow.
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SAWYER, Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England>USA>MA>NH
JENKINS, Cornwall PEI Canada>USA>MA
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