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Topic: Blakely/Bleakley in Newtownards (Read 1801 times)
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akanex2
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Hi Fiona
Some of the bride's brothers were baptised in Donaghadee Methodist so maybe that was her original church before she came to Newtownards. Could you please look up any Blakely baptisms in N'ard Methodist up to the late 1880s. Also details of the marriage of Anna Carrol and Thomas Taylor in 1863 and any baptisms for their children.
Do you know if any earlier records exist for this church?
Thanks
AK2
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FionaMcDonald
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Anna Eliza Young and Joe Magill
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No problem, it was the very first one recorded!
27th November 1863
Officiating Minister - Henry Price
Groom - Thomas Taylor - full age - bachelor - occupation Boot & Shoe Maker - Newtownards High Street, father's name John Taylor - occupation Tailor
Bride - Anna Carroll - full age - spinster - Church Street Newtownards, father's name Richard Carroll - occupation Labourer
Witnesses - Robert (?possibly Stampe) Hugh Patton, Catherine (?possibly Halohan)
I could send you a scan if you want to try to decipher the illegible bits yourself.
I'll check on the baptisms and get back to you.
Newtownards Methodist has been my family's church for at least 200 years and it's where I was baptised and where I went to Sunday School. I think these are the earliest records extant which relate exclusively to this church. PRONI (Public Records Office) in Belfast has older Irish Methodist records for various congregations/circuits. I looked at these once but they're all higgledy-piggledy and really hard to read in bad scratchy handwriting.
Fiona
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Newtownards area - McDonald, MacDonald, McDonnell, McIlroy, McElroy, O'Neill, Snodden, McClurg, Wallace,
Hilltown/Rathfriland area - Magill, Young, Truesdale, Hall, McMahon, Stewart, McIlroy
Limavady area - Ferguson, Cunningham, Irwin
Belfast area - Harbinson (also Doagh, County Antrim), Lawther, Halliday, Rolleston, Rolston, Ralston (also Keady, County Armagh)
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FionaMcDonald
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Anna Eliza Young and Joe Magill
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The witness name is Robert Stoupe not Stampe (as I've just seen his children's baptisms).
Baptisms
16th October 1870
Agnes Jane Taylor - daughter of Thomas and Annie Taylor -
Newtownards - 1 month 6 days
This daughter must have died as the next daughter has the same name -
20th March 1872
Agnes Jane Taylor - daughter of Thomas and Annie Taylor -
Newtownards - 5 months 29 days
18th August 1872
Thomas Taylor - son of Thomas and Anne Taylor -
Frances Street Newtownards - born 9th July 1872
28th December 1873
Mary Blakely - daughter of William and Elizabeth Blakely
Regent Street Newtownards - born 6th December 1873
22nd February 1875
William Henry Taylor - son of Thomas and Annie Taylor
Frances Street Newtownards - born 22nd December 1874
23rd July 1876
Jane Blakely - daughter of William and Eliza Blakely
Church Street Newtownards - born 19th June 1876
January 1877
John Taylor - son of Thomas and Annie Taylor
Frances Street Newtownards - born 30th November 1876
23rd February 1879
Margaret Montgomery Taylor - daughter of Thomas and Annie Taylor
Newtownards - born 4th February 1879
7th April 1879
Ursilla Blakely - daughter of William and Elizabeth Blakely
Newtownards - born 11th December 1878
I checked as far as 1890 and that's all. Of course there could have been others between the marriage in 1863 and the first baptism book starting in 1869.
Fiona
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Newtownards area - McDonald, MacDonald, McDonnell, McIlroy, McElroy, O'Neill, Snodden, McClurg, Wallace,
Hilltown/Rathfriland area - Magill, Young, Truesdale, Hall, McMahon, Stewart, McIlroy
Limavady area - Ferguson, Cunningham, Irwin
Belfast area - Harbinson (also Doagh, County Antrim), Lawther, Halliday, Rolleston, Rolston, Ralston (also Keady, County Armagh)
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akanex2
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Fiona
That is brilliant - many thanks indeed! Could you possibly send me a scan of Mary Blakely's baptism in 1873? She is my gt granny. I'll PM you my email address.
Thanks again
AK2
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yankyfoxtrot
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Hi. I am the great grandson of William Blakely. I have been researching him for years and have
recently discovered that he used a different name throughout his life. Loads more info if you would like to hear it.
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akanex2
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Would love to hear any information you have and I'm very interested to hear how you are descended from William.
Once you have posted a few more messages you will be able to use the Personal Messaging option to send me stuff you don't want posted in the public domain.
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yankyfoxtrot
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Hi. OK here goes, hope I can remember it all. Williams parents were John and Jane. She was his second wife formerly Cadell and her maiden name was Gibson. They had two sons and for whatever reason called both of them William. The second one died very young. The first William was registered as William James Blakely born on 19th March 1876 at Valentine Street, Belfast On his birth certificate his mothers maiden name is spelt as Kell which is wrong. During his life he went by the name of James Alexander Blakely and his death record from the States confirms his date of birth on it. He married a Matilda McCashen when they were both 19yrs and had a daughter Lizzie who was my grandmother. She married a Fred Barlow in Glasgow and they had a daughter Jane Blakely Barlow who was my mother. I have some photos of the family and have really struggled with this one. There is family in the states and I visited them in 2004. Hope all this makes sense to you and you find it helpful.
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akanex2
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Hi YF
Sorry, your William is over 30 years younger than my guy and I can't see any connection between them with what I know so far. Did John and Jane come from Newtownards do you know? Maybe with a bit more digging we can find a link.
AK2
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yankyfoxtrot
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Hi AK2
Thanks for that. Just have to keep plodding on. My attention to this of course in the first place was the date of birth. Will carry on digging though.
Best wishes
YF
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akanex2
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Just an update on what I have found since my first post:
William who died in 1909 actually did get his age right on one official document - the 1901 census where he got his childrens' ages wrong!
I have located his baptism in 1st Newtownards Prebyterian and he was born on 15 July 1848. His parents were William Blakely and Ursilla McCully (McAuley) and he had 3 other siblings in the church records - Anne Jane (1850), Ellen (1861) and James Alexander (1869). Anne Jane married James Quinn in 1871 (also in 1st Newtownards).
The elder William was the son of John Blakely and Anne Jane (Nancy) Kilpatrick of Greenwell St, Newtownards. His brothers and sisters are baptised in Newtownards Non Subscribing Prebyterian and include Ann Jane (m Samuel Morrow), James (m Jane Johnston), Robert and Charles (elder children predate church records).
I would love to hear from any descendants of this family and many thanks to everyone who helped me so far.
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wildfowl
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hi i found this post with a google search.i am interested in thomas taylor and anna carroll as they are mygreat,great grandparents i ordered the wedding certificate and it arrived yesterday and then i found this page.would it be possible fiona for you to look up if there were any more carroll marriages as i am looking for annas brothers and sisters.
akanex2 there are more children
annie taylor born 1865
richard carroll taylor 17 feb 1867-16 may 1939 my great grandad
mum anna carroll was born in 1843 and dad thomas taylor was born in 1842 old swan west derby liverpool his father is john taylor and his mum is margaret.if your a member of ancestry.com i am wildfowl and my tree is fowler family tree you will see some census etc .
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akanex2
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Hi Wildfowl
Would love to make contact - I know of at least 1 other sister and two brothers of Anna and Elizabeth Carroll and have some death certificate/baptism details. I'm not a member of ancestry.com but if you make another 2 postings on this site we will be able to use the personal message system to swap email addresses and I can send you the stuff I have (& vice versa).
Hope to be in touch soon.
AK2
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wildfowl
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here are the census forms i have found for john taylor
1851 census address victoria place,west derby,lancashire
john taylor born 1811 prescot lancashire occupation tailor
wife margaret born 1818 wales occupation tailor
children
john born 1831 prescot occupation shoe maker
ann born 1840 west derby school
THOMAS born 1842 ,,,, ,,
mary ,, 1844 ,, ,,
hannah ,, 1846 ,, ,,
richard ,, 1848 ,, ,,
margaret ,, 1851 ,, ,,
~~~~~~~~--------------------1841 census swan row,walton on the hill,west derby,lancashire
john taylor born 1811 lancashire occupation tailor
margaret ,, 1811 ,,,
children
shadrach ,,, 1830 ,,,
john ,, 1831 ,,,
jane ,,, 1835 ,,,
richard ,,,, 1837 ,,
anne ,,, 1839 ,,,
those are the 2 census"s i have found i think they may all go over to ireland.you will notice margaret changes from being born in lancashire to wales.
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akanex2
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Were the Taylor's Methodist in Lancashire or only on coming to Co Down?
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wildfowl
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now thomas taylor 1851 census above post
1861 census
address 3,5 court,wood street east,west derby,liverpool
he is living with brother shadrach who is down as a boot and shoe maker
thomas taylor occupation is journey man and boot and shoe maker
~~~~~~~~-------------------1863 living in newtonards ireland address high street hes a boot and shoe maker marriage to anna carroll who is living on church street
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1867 living newtonards ireland address regent street this comes fron richard carroll taylors birth certificate
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we then know that they live on frances street because fiona put the baptism records on but also
1877 BELFAST/ULSTER STREET DIRECTORY OF TRADERS he has a shop thomas taylor frances street boot and shoe maker
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1881 census
they go back to west derby england
the street address is 5 denman street
between 1881 and 1891 anna carroll dies in west derby
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1891 census
they are now in the isle of man
the address is onchan,douglas,isle of man and its 48 strand street thomas is still a boot and shoe maker the shop is now a wh smiths if you want to look at the present premises.
~~~~~~~~-------------------1901 census
back to england living in bolton lancashire the address is 160 mornington road thomas is now a music and book dealer
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1911 census still in bolton on mornington road occupation music and book dealer
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thomas taylors occupation does change but we did know about that before we started searching we did know there was a connection with liverpool but we didnt relise he was born there.
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