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Albert Edward Tudor born Wales 1875 lived in Niagara City
« on: Wednesday 14 January 09 22:06 UTC (UK) »
Hi,
I am Looking for any descendants of Albert Edward Tudor born 1875 in Gresford/ Llay near Wrexham North Wales but lived latterly in a nearby village called Cefn y Bedd (literal translation is back of the grave)
He emigrated to US in 1904 via Ellis Island and moved to Niagara City ward 8 by the 1910 census - living with his wife Ruth (Durie) who was from Banff Scotland. They had 3 daughters that I am aware of one of whom died as a young child (Minnie b 1914) the others were Mary Agnes (1911) and Ruth (1915).
I have the family tracked travelling back and forwards between Canada and Glasgow but never all of them together and have found a US Passport Application form for Ruth (Durie) with her photo on it.
Alberts brother Price Edwin Tudor(1879) also moved to the US but stayed in Ossining New York all his life working as a prison guard in SINGSING Prison ( family lore is that he was an executioner)  Shocked
The family still live in the near vicinity of where the two brothers grew up and would love to hear from Canadian/American descendants of the brothers.
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Re: Albert Edward Tudor born Wales 1875 lived in Niagara City
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 14 January 09 23:28 UTC (UK) »
There's a WWI Draft Registration Card for a Price Tudor in Niagara Falls, NY, which gives the birth date of 10 Nov. 1884.  He was listed as a prison guard, and his nearest relative looks like Albert Tudor at the same home address.  Any chance his birth date fluctuated a bit?
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Re: Albert Edward Tudor born Wales 1875 lived in Niagara City
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 14 January 09 23:37 UTC (UK) »
Hi,
I think that it is possibly him - I saw that and wondered the same thing - no-one likes to admit their age do they?
This is the only photo I have of him taken in the 1950s??

Alison

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Re: Albert Edward Tudor born Wales 1875 lived in Niagara City
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 15 January 09 00:01 UTC (UK) »
Either it's him or there's someone else with the same unusual name living a similar life.

There's a passenger list from Liverpool to NY from 8 Sep. 1928 which has a Price Tudor age 45, male, single, who was naturalized in Lockport NY County Ct. 3/1/1904 and was living at 122 Maine St., Ossining N. York.  That seems to fit in with the 1884 birth date and what you know about him.  There's also an incoming UK list from July 1928 that gives his age as 45, occupation as prison officer, and proposed address as Cefn-y-Bedd near Wrexham Wales.

However, there are other passenger lists that seem to fit more with the 1879 birthdate and the info still seems consistent with your information.  There's one from 1938 where he's 58, naturalized in Lockport in 1908, and living at 120 Main St., Ossining.  Maybe he changed his age on a whim or genuinely didn't remember how old he was? 
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Re: Albert Edward Tudor born Wales 1875 lived in Niagara City
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 15 January 09 09:14 UTC (UK) »
Hi,
I believe he travelled back and forwards between US every other year and went elsewhere in between - there are  records of someone with the same name visiting Bermuda and the Carribean also. A well travelled man at the time and also an interesting career choice. I have found a photograph of Osinning prison guards from his era but he is not on this.
I also think that the brothers may not have emigrated together and the earliest date I have tracked them at Ellis Island is 1906 for Price and 1905 for Albert.
I don't think Price ever married but his brother Albert did - but as he had 3 daughters any descendants are going to have a different surname by now - I put the information in about Price his brother to make a connection to descendants as he would have been the only family member nearby from their fathers side and his occupation may have been talked about within the family.
Many thanks for your assistance

Alison
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Re: Albert Edward Tudor born Wales 1875 lived in Niagara City
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 15 January 09 09:49 UTC (UK) »
Do you think those two streets are actually the same with Maine Street being a typo on the passenger list? I tried using GoogleMaps to find a Maine Street and Main Street in Ossining and they only have it without the "e" now.

There were six UK incoming passenger lists that had Price Tudor on them all going to the same area of Wales as well as nine passenger lists entries which were into New York. Of the nine, two were returning from the Caribbean and the others from the UK.

Jacquie
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Re: Albert Edward Tudor born Wales 1875 lived in Niagara City
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 15 January 09 10:53 UTC (UK) »
Do you have a death date for either Albert or Price?  Or have it narrowed down?  If there's an obit out there, it might have Albert's daughters' married names and allow you to find the next generation.

Thinking about the age issue - maybe he deliberately shaved 5 years off? 
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Re: Albert Edward Tudor born Wales 1875 lived in Niagara City
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 15 January 09 16:55 UTC (UK) »
Hi Jacquie,
I am told by my mother in law (thier niece) that Price died in 1958/9 but she never got to meet Albert and does not know when he died. Perhaps if Price had an obituary it may mention other family members on it?
Regards and Thanks for your help,

Alison
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Re: Albert Edward Tudor born Wales 1875 lived in Niagara City
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 15 January 09 17:35 UTC (UK) »
I have an obit for an ancestor who never married or had children, and it lists her siblings and nieces/nephews. 

If Price might have died in New York state, this blog post mentions a way to do a look-up for death records:  http://ny-genes.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-york-state-vital-records-microfiche.html  If you make a request, I'd recommend giving the possible years and areas he lived in.
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Re: Albert Edward Tudor born Wales 1875 lived in Niagara City
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 15 January 09 18:44 UTC (UK) »
Hi Shelleyesq,
Thank you very much for your help - I will give that website a try !!

Regards and best wishes,
Alison
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Re: Albert Edward Tudor born Wales 1875 lived in Niagara City
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 18 January 09 11:23 UTC (UK) »
What a fantastic website!!

I found out that Price Tudor was indeed a death house keeper for 8 years at Singsing prison and he was definitely present at the execution of 2 infamous convicts who were named in the press. Shocked Shocked
He worked at Wingate prison latterly as a timekeeper.

In 1920 he was the subject of quite a bit of press attention due to the actions of his wife - a much younger woman called Beatrice born about 1896 ( not yet sure of her maiden name as her mother had remarried) who fell in love with a younger man only to be rejected by him - she then took poison when with him and tried to commit suicide at her young lovers side! Shocked Shocked
It transpired (so she said) that she was being blackmailed by him so that Price Tudor would not find out about her lover. She survived and Price forgave her - but it seems that the marriage did not last as there is no mention of him being married amongst the senior family members - no idea at all!

Still no info yet on Albert Tudor - he had 2 surviving daughters Mary Agnes and Ruth - except that Price may have returned to live in Niagara city with his brother upon retirement from the prison service.

Alison
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