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Topic: Elizabeth Jane Breach & Yruth Nordstrum (Read 1439 times)
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Barrie Green
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Just got back in and lil what a photo! Thank you so much!
Kotteril moved up to Auckland later in his life, he and his wife had no children but much later in life they went to Sydney where he died but he didn't intend to stay there permanently. For some reason in Aussie he was known as Donald Victor Ross Breach. His widow came back to NP for the end of her days so that could be her next to him in that earlier photo.
They were a really strange family by the sounds of things, their names to start with! Moses definitely goes back to other Wiltshire UK Breaches but as for the others!
Curiouser and curiouser!
I'm going to order Yruth's Probate from the Auckland Archives tomorrow (I'm in Palm.Nth) to see if any family names appear.
Wonderful help and many thanks.
Faith 
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Barrie Green
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Hi Lil
Laura Mary Breach was buried at Opunake 20 October 1958.
Age 75 yrs, RIP. (From the NZ Soc. Of Gen. Burial Disc) Her Probate and Will is in Wellington which I hope to cite sometime.
The Breach who contacted me via the NZ Soc. Genealogist's Magazine was a desc. of the brother of Moses, Augustus Somes Breach ( ? nameof Manaia) who knew little of Moses's family but had helpful ideas of the UK families. So I didn't actually keep her emails once I'd sorted out the UK info.
Please don't go out of your way chasing the data, you've been so helpful to date.
Where was the photo found - in a newspaper? I wish to record it's source - it's great!! 
Faith
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lil growler
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Hi faith
The photo for K.V Breach was taken in 1914 and it's from the photos collection at the Library.
I have taken a photo of Moses's Headstone/Plaque for you. The inscription says:
In memory of Rev M.S. Breach. Died 31st October 1913, aged 89. At Rest.
Next time I'm at the library I'll have another look for his funeral notice, as I was searching around the 13th Oct , not the 31st There is no mention of Elizabeth at the City Council in their notes on Moses.
http://www.pukeariki.com/en/resources/passengerlists.htm you maybe able to open the lists from here, I can't though for some reason it says web page cannot be displayed. The passenger listing is extracted from Papers Past. From the library I have the following for Rev Breach and I'm sure there is a connection here with Mrs breach traveling to the Southern Ports as well. This may give us a clue where to start looking for her.
Newspaper Date:14 April 1875
Departing New Plymouth and arriving 13 Apr 1875, Southern Ports on the Wellington, Mrs Breach.
Newspaper Date: 1 Sep 1875
Departing New Plymouth and arriving 31 Aug 1875, Southern Ports on the Hawea, Mrs Breach.
Newspaper Date: 16 Oct 1875
Departing Southern Ports and arriving 13 Oct 1875 in New Plymouth on the Taupo, Mrs Breach
Newspaper Date: 21 Feb 1879
Departing New Plymouth and arriving 20 Feb 1879, Southern Ports/Lyttelton on the Wellington, Rev Mr Breach.
Newspaper Date: 5 Apr 1879
Departing Wellington and arriving 5 April 1879 in New Plymouth on the Taiaroa, Rev Mr Breach.
Newspaper Date: 11 Dec 1879
Departing New Plymouth and arriving 11 Dec 1879, Southern Ports on the Taiaroa, Rev Mr Breach.
The are 16 entries altogether for Breach on the passenger lists the other entries are for
( separartely ) Mr and Mrs Breach and/or family either traveling between New Plymouth and Manukau or Waitara and Kaipara. If anyone needs me to put this information up, I can do so.
If you would to PM your email address I can send through these photos of Moses Headstone. 
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lil
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lil growler
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Opps..... and this information
From the Taranaki Almanac, 1874, P 195 and 1875, p245.
Presbyterian, Scotch Kirk, Devon Street ( East ) Rev. M. Somes Breach. Service on Sundays at 11am and 6:30 pm, on Fridays, Bible Class at 6:30 pm and Singing Classes at 7:30pm.
Taranaki Almanac 1880 p 245
Presbyterian, Scotch Kirk, Devon Street East. Rev M.Somes Breach and Rev P Cameron. Services on Sundays at 11am and 6:30 pm
I couldn't find any further information on the Breach's. The Fred Butler Indexes that I looked at all contained the same information regarding the articles on Papers Past.
Regards
lil
There is another Breach family mentioned in the Index cards, a Mr Samuel A Breach and his wife, they are associated with the Opunake news in the Taranaki Hearald.
To add , a Mrs Breach and son departing New Plymouth for Soutern Ports http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=TH18851229.2.4.3&srpos=3&e=-------10--1----2%22mrs+breach%22-all
There is a advertisement here , mentioning Rev Mrs Breach offering her services in Nursing.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=TH18801102.2.14.5&srpos=12&e=-------10--11----2%22mrs+breach%22-all
I think this maybe the same Mrs Breach in Manaia in 1887 minus the Title Rev http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=HNS18871114.2.18.4&srpos=82&e=-------10--81----2%22mrs+breach%22-all
and this maybe her again advertising for a Lady help in 1903 http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=HNS19030110.2.3.6&srpos=90&e=-------10--81----2%22mrs+breach%22-all
and again this maybe still her here in 1910, in one of her previous advertisements it mentions she also is a needle worker. Under Fancy Work Division: Exhibit Lace, Mrs Breach
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=HNS19100714.2.64&srpos=108&e=-------10--101----2%22mrs+breach%22-all
I've had a look on the SDtdc site and haven't found burial for her.
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Barrie Green
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Thanks to all again!
The headstone photo will be marvellous Lil.
* will reach me.
I now need to digest all the newspaper references.I knew there were quite a few so I'll work methodically through everything.
One I did get to see earlier was about Eliz J Breach milking a cow! Like so many others, these pioneer women came from inner London to this raw country and had to roll up their sleeves and get on with it!
The Church affair is heavily covered as well.
Grateful thanks - Faith
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might pay to PM lil and remove your email address so that spammers do not use it.
It will pa to do this before a mod sees it
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Barrie Green
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Thank you Lil for the wonderful photos.
Good to see that daughter Yruth got a good burial site and headstone done.
I've sent for her Will and Death Cert. May have a bit of data.
Now, back to peruse all the data on Eliz J Breach that you all have sent to me! Something may turn up yet!!
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Barrie Green
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Hello Liz
Thank you so much once again for your help. I'll now contact that NP Church to see if there is anything in their Archival Data about Rev. Moses Breach's wife's departure/death. Her daughter Yruth (Nordstrum died in 1918 I've since found out) married again in 1934 and was visited many times by her half sister Edith and her family all in Canada. They even came out to her 2nd wedding! I now have all the NZ certs. but need to continue at the Canadian end.
Kind Regards Faith Green
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Nanafos
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Just found your posts on this dear lady (EJ Breach) & no I can't find out what happened to her,I did wonder if she went home to England as she was unhappy because of the seperation with the her Heath children & she gave birth to a stillborn daughter in Dec 1874-- my interest is in her first marriage to Richard W Ovenden, they had a son born in Scotland & died in Dunedin.
Charles Heath & his first wife had a son called Henry.
Charles Heath died on Lizzie's birthday.
There are copies of letters in the Alexander Turnbull Library, Wellington, New Zealand, they were anonymously donated, via NZ House, London, Dec 1960. They are shipboard letters written by Mrs Elizabeth J (Lizzie) Ovenden & letters from Whakahara, Kaipara.
One of my Ovenden aunts had a lot to do for her, for many years as Yruth was practically bed ridden.
Hope this little bit helps, Nanafos
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Nanafos
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Sorry, I forgot to say the Heath children were sent to live with Anne in 1874. I've just found some more of my papers & letters were written to Anne (you know of her) & to her sisters Mary & Grace (not sure whose sisters) Other relations that wrote to Anne enquiring after Lizzie were Fanny Butcher, Mary Forman, Mary Glover, Grace Lodge Fanny Marshall & Fanny Stretch. There are 3 of Lizzie's letters in the book titled "The Lives of Pioneer Women in NZ, selected by Sarah Ell"
Nanafos
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Barrie Green
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Hello Nanafos,
Thank you for contacting me per the Ovenden family. I recently found the Probate for a Douglas Richard W Ovenden in Dunedin, Engineer in 1923 and was toying with the idea of sending for it. Now I certainly will. Do you know anything about him? The Will may disclose his family etc.
Lizzie always yearned for a proper education for him once the other children had left. I have probably found him in the 1891 English census at Toxteth Park, Liverpool, Lancs. where he is a boarder and his occupation is ' Student of Electricity and Physics. Then alarm bells started ringing in my memory for also in that same Eastern Toxteth part of Liverpool is the household of Oliver Joseph Lodge, (later Sir - England's most notable physical Scientist). In the Lodge household is Edith Heath 21y b. N Z, living on own means. OJL's wife, Mary F A nee Marshall is the daughter of Mary, a sister of Lizzie Batten/Ovenden/Heath/Breach. She was also widowed early and had this small daughter and family tinkering got her married to a much older Tompkinson. So they must have taken over the 'looking after' of the chn after Charlotte Anne Heath died in 1884. Douglas is on the 1901 Census in Hornsey Mdx London, a boarder and Electrical Journeyman. He must have come back to NZ.
Yes, I have recently purchased copies all the 105 pages of the letters from the Heaths having read about them in 'The Old Kaipara" by Byrne. I have also been in contact with a Canadian descendant of Edith Harriett Heath who had been told that Lizzie found Rev Breach very difficult to live with and went to her daughter in Canada.Will continue in another frame.
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Barrie Green
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I feel Douglas was born in Aberdeen, Scotland as a brother of Lizzie's, Abraham Batten was still there before returning to London. He had married an Isabella Machray and all their chn were born there. This could be the 'Isa' referred to in some letters. Rich. Ovenden died in 2 Feb 1866 and Douglas wasn't b. till 16 August 1866. Just think, she went thru' 2 births as a widow! Family looked after family then!
Lizzie was left 100 pounds when Charlotte Anne died in 1884 and she may have used that for her passage to Canada when Douglas was independent. The 2 chn got 3000 and 4000 pounds each in the Will.
Charles Heath's sister Mary married a Richard Forman whose son Arthur later was a teacher at Repton School Derbyshire. At that time Geoffrey Francis Fisher came to teach there also,and married Rosamond Chevallier Forman their daughter. He later was the Archbishop of Canterbury and probably that is how the letters, thankfully, were given to NZ House. Grace was a sister of Chas Heath and she married Oliver Lodge, Father of Sir OJ Lodge. Mary is probably Lizzie's sister Mary Tompkinson or Mary Forman Chas. sister. Fanny is Chas sister Frances Stretch wife of Rev. John Stretch, Bishop of Newcastle Aust, later at Maldon, Melbourne.
Yruth died of pancreatic cancer, her 1st husband d. of the 1918 flu. Would love any bits of the Ovenden family.
Thnks for making the contact Faith Green
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