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gordonbb
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Hello,
I recently inherited my dad's PAF files after he passed away. Back in the mid 80's after I graduated from college, I traveled to Scotland and did a bit of research for dad on our family. I'm interested in a Gentleman called Peter Laing Gordon. He is buried in the transcepts of Aberdeen Cathedral. He is my great-great-great grandfather.
In my trip in 1986 I was fortunate to go to the main library and ran into a librarian (Jean ?). When I was searching through the parochial registers for Craigmyle House and she asked me what I was doing and informed me that it was in Kincardine O'Neil (She lived on the old estate in Hoggshead cottage with her father). That piece of luck enabled me to find out a few things.
Peter Laing Gordon was actually born Peter Laing and appended the Gordon Surname when he purchased Craigmyle (Craigmile) from the estate of the late Richard Gordon of Craigmyle. He was a solicitor in Aberdeen. J.M. Bulloch, in the Huntly Express in 1910 documented that Peter Laing had adopted the name. Family lore had that his oldest son had lost the estate standing surety for a friends debt. Bulloch's account was that he squandered the family fortune on a traveling dance troupe! Irrespective of this I was able to trace my male linage back two more generations.
I copied by hand the article from the Huntly Express (after a delightful bus ride to Huntly from Aberdeen followed by a visit to the local pub and a tour of GlenDronach :-) and photocopied several birth, death & marriage certificates.
Fast forward 20 years. I've got the PAF files now but can't find the records for citation.
I'm looking for:
Peter Laing (Gordon)
Christened: 11 Feb 1799 St. Nicholas, Aberdeen
Married: 13th, Apr, 1848 Tarland & Migive to Jane Robertson
Died: 31 Mar 1866; Craigmyle House
Jane Robertson, his 1st wife (apparantly):
Born: 14 Nov 1829; Crathie And Braemar, Aberdeen, Scotland
Died: 26 May 1855; Hawthorne Cottage, ABER, SCOT
Jane was the daughter of Andrew Robertson, Physician to Queen Victoria & Factor at Balmoral.
What I have (using a 20-year-old memory) is that I obtained Peter Laings Parents (Peter or Patrick Laing & Margaret Walker) from their marriage certificate and was able to track back:
Peter (Patrick) Laing:
Christened: 20 Apr 1774; Tarland & Migivie)
Married: 16 Jan 1796; St. Nicholas, Aberdeen
Margaret Walker:
Born: 2 Jun 1768
Died: 26 Dec 1842
Margaret's Parents were John (George Walker) & Bell (Isobel?) Fordyce
I'm looking for information on:
Patrick Laing's Birth
Confirmation of the info on the marriage record of his parents
Any information on his antecedents.
I'm new to this research so I apologize if I'm posting too much in one post and should split things up.
Any advice or assistance would be welcome.
Regards,
Bruce
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Gordon, Kincardine O'Neil, Aberdeenshire
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Bruce
Why don't you use Scotlands People, the official pay to view site for BMDs and OPR entries, to obtain copies of the original certificates  www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
It will cost you £1.20 for each original image you download which you can then back up and save/print on your computer, that way having a paper trail to your research. You've done all the hard work already establishing the facts and dates.
Looking at IGI www.familysearch.org, most of the dates correspond with what you are showing so you should be able to find them easily enough on SP.
Peter/Patrick's father shows as John Laing on the IGI extracted entry from the OPRs for his 1768 christening. Margaret Walker's entry shows as her christening on 1770, nothing shows on the on line OPRs for the 1768 entry.
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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In respect of the Walkers, not sure if you have come across this site which is a bit of a bible for Walkers in Scotland:
http://home.alphalink.com.au/~hockeyv/walk-g.htm
George and Isabel's marriage shows there on 1 Feb 1768, Saint Nicholas Aberdeen, Aberdeen. The link I gave you above will take you also to the christening for their children (just use your search tool for 'fordyce').
Just change the letter 'g' on the URL to any other first letter of a first name to access the entries for all first names starting with that letter.
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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This looks to be the monumental inscriptions for Peter Laing Gordon and his two wives:
(56) Here are interred the Bodies of James Gordon of Seaton, John
Gordon his son, Richard Gordon his grandson, who died 9 th of Novem-
ber 1763 aged 77. Mary, wife of Richard, who died 6 th November
1782. And Sarah Gordon their daughter, who died 12 th May 1827,
aged 80. Also of John Gordon of Craigmyle, who died 9 th July 1830,
aged 82. Mary his wife, who died 9 th NoV 1831, aged 80. And of
Jane Robertson, wife of Peter Laing Gordon, of Craigmyle, who died
25 th May 1855, aged 26 years. The said Peter Laing Gordon, who died
3i st March 1866, aged 67 years. Jessie Isabella Macbean, his second
wife, who died 17 th November 1874, aged 44 years.
www.archive.org/stream/recordsofoldaber02aberuoft/recordsofoldaber02aberuoft_djvu.txt
If you haven't viewed, Jane Robertson's 1855 death cert could be informative. The first year of official registration in Scotland and BMD certs ran over two pages of the register. For deaths it should include names and ages of children the person had (alive or deceased) and a wealth of other info.
Likely that Jane Robertson died some days after the birth of her last child Leslie. Children showing to them (surprisingly no Peter after his father):
1. JOHN GORDON Birth: 16 APR 1849/ Christening: 09 MAY 1849 Kincardine O'Neil, Aberdeen
2. ANDREW ROBERTSON GORDON Birth: 13 FEB 1851/ Christening: 15 MAR 1851 Aberdeen, Aberdeen
3. ARTHUR WILLIAM GORDON Birth: 14 SEP 1853 Kincardine O'Neil, Aberdeen
4. LESLIE GORDON Birth: 18 MAY 1855 Old Machar, Aberdeen
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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Bruce
Apoligies for the disjointed post, I am just adding information as I find it
I assume this relates to second born son Andrew and the birth year for him should be 1851 rather than 1831:
Second son of Peter Laing (who took the name of Gordon) of Craigmile ; b. 1831, Feb. 13, at Aberdeen ; went to Canada after leaving Navy ; attached to Meteorological Observatory, Toronto. 1880, Dep. Supt., Meteorological Service of Canada. 1884, commanded an expedition to determine the length of time during which Hudson's Bay was navigable (in connection with a projected railway from Manitoba) and to make surveys. Explorations during three seasons 1884-6 proved that the Bay would admit of safe navigation during four months of the year (Appleton's Cyclopedia of American Biog. ; Pratt's People of the Period, i. 453). Served as Lt., Canadian Army. M. 1872, Mary Elizabeth, only dau. of Sir Melville Parker, 6th and last bart. of Harpur, Warwickshire, and d. 1893, Mar. 24, leaving three sons and three daus. Craigmile Gordons described by J. M. Bulloch in Huntly Express, 1910, Aug. 19, 26, Sep.
www.thegordondnaproject.com/Gordons_Under_Arms-Text.txt
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gordonbb
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Hi Bruce Why don't you use Scotlands People, the official pay to view site for BMDs and OPR entries, to obtain copies of the original certificates www.scotlandspeople.gov.ukIt will cost you £1.20 for each original image you download which you can then back up and save/print on your computer, that way having a paper trail to your research. You've done all the hard work already establishing the facts and dates. Looking at IGI www.familysearch.org, most of the dates correspond with what you are showing so you should be able to find them easily enough on SP. Peter/Patrick's father shows as John Laing on the IGI extracted entry from the OPRs for his 1768 christening. Margaret Walker's entry shows as her christening on 1770, nothing shows on the on line OPRs for the 1768 entry. Monica |
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gordonbb
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In respect of the Walkers, not sure if you have come across this site which is a bit of a bible for Walkers in Scotland: http://home.alphalink.com.au/~hockeyv/walk-g.htmGeorge and Isabel's marriage shows there on 1 Feb 1768, Saint Nicholas Aberdeen, Aberdeen. The link I gave you above will take you also to the christening for their children (just use your search tool for 'fordyce'). Just change the letter 'g' on the URL to any other first letter of a first name to access the entries for all first names starting with that letter. Monica |
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gordonbb
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This looks to be the monumental inscriptions for Peter Laing Gordon and his two wives: (56) Here are interred the Bodies of James Gordon of Seaton, John Gordon his son, Richard Gordon his grandson, who died 9 th of Novem- ber 1763 aged 77. Mary, wife of Richard, who died 6 th November 1782. And Sarah Gordon their daughter, who died 12 th May 1827, aged 80. Also of John Gordon of Craigmyle, who died 9 th July 1830, aged 82. Mary his wife, who died 9 th NoV 1831, aged 80. And of
Jane Robertson, wife of Peter Laing Gordon, of Craigmyle, who died
25 th May 1855, aged 26 years. The said Peter Laing Gordon, who died
3i st March 1866, aged 67 years. Jessie Isabella Macbean, his second
wife, who died 17 th November 1874, aged 44 years. www.archive.org/stream/recordsofoldaber02aberuoft/recordsofoldaber02aberuoft_djvu.txt
If you haven't viewed, Jane Robertson's 1855 death cert could be informative. The first year of official registration in Scotland and BMD certs ran over two pages of the register. For deaths it should include names and ages of children the person had (alive or deceased) and a wealth of other info.
Likely that Jane Robertson died some days after the birth of her last child Leslie. Children showing to them (surprisingly no Peter after his father):
1. JOHN GORDON Birth: 16 APR 1849/ Christening: 09 MAY 1849 Kincardine O'Neil, Aberdeen
2. ANDREW ROBERTSON GORDON Birth: 13 FEB 1851/ Christening: 15 MAR 1851 Aberdeen, Aberdeen
3. ARTHUR WILLIAM GORDON Birth: 14 SEP 1853 Kincardine O'Neil, Aberdeen
4. LESLIE GORDON Birth: 18 MAY 1855 Old Machar, Aberdeen
Monica
Yes, I got that too. Peter not only changed his surname but moved to the Church of England so he may have been distant from his parents. I'll check the death certificate. - Thanks again.
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gordonbb
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Bruce Apoligies for the disjointed post, I am just adding information as I find it I assume this relates to second born son Andrew and the birth year for him should be 1851 rather than 1831: Second son of Peter Laing (who took the name of Gordon) of Craigmile ; b. 1831, Feb. 13, at Aberdeen ; went to Canada after leaving Navy ; attached to Meteorological Observatory, Toronto. 1880, Dep. Supt., Meteorological Service of Canada. 1884, commanded an expedition to determine the length of time during which Hudson's Bay was navigable (in connection with a projected railway from Manitoba) and to make surveys. Explorations during three seasons 1884-6 proved that the Bay would admit of safe navigation during four months of the year (Appleton's Cyclopedia of American Biog. ; Pratt's People of the Period, i. 453). Served as Lt., Canadian Army. M. 1872, Mary Elizabeth, only dau. of Sir Melville Parker, 6th and last bart. of Harpur, Warwickshire, and d. 1893, Mar. 24, leaving three sons and three daus. Craigmile Gordons described by J. M. Bulloch in Huntly Express, 1910, Aug. 19, 26, Sep.www.thegordondnaproject.com/Gordons_Under_Arms-Text.txt |
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Bruce
In respect of your last question, I don't know what papers/document trail if any there would be for a change of surname in those times. Unlike today where such a thing would have to be done legally not sure if this would be the case in that period of time.
Have you come across Peter Laing Gordon's Wills and Testament documents? There are two entries on Scotlands People:
Peter Laing Gordon - 01/06/1866
T. Misc. Papers 01/06/1866 SC1/37/57/p1019 See A Aberdeen Sheriff Court Wills SC1/37/57 - 13 pages
T. Misc. Papers 01/06/1866 SC1/37/57/p1019 Aberdeen Sheriff Court Inventories SC1/36/58 - 19 pages
Items from this section of Scotlands People are purchased separately from credits for BMDs/OPRs/Census images. Each item on the W & T costs £5GB and is purchased separately via c/card on line. It can then be downloaded and backed up on your computer (as you do with the all the images you purchase).
In respect of these documents for Peter, that is excellent value (some of these documents are only a couple of pages at most). Just be prepared to magnify on your PC and sore eyes!
To give you a better feel on your use of Scotlands People, there is a helpguide here on RC:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,43916.0.html
Also, for general background on research in Scotland:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24468.0.html
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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Going back to your very original question on the origins of Peter Laing. If Peter's origins were in Tarland And Migvie, Old Parish Registers only began in 1764 for births and 1766 for marriages. You can search IGI using just the batch code for that Parish (see http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryScotland.htm):
Births C112422 - 1764-1821 Marriages M112422 - 1766-1819
All birth entries for a father John in this period in T & M only show father, no mother's names. A preferred style of some parishes in this period which is a pain as there in no mention of the mother (as if she didn't have anything to do with it ). The IGI is at its most flexible for searching the OPRs when you use the batch codes, you can put in as much or as little as you want on the search fields. Using the batch code for births and searching only with father John brings up these entries, potentially siblings to Peter:
1. MARY LAING Christening: 16 JAN 1768 Tarland And Migvie
2. ALEXANDER LAING Christening: 11 APR 1772 Tarland And Migvie
3. PETER LAING Christening: 20 APR 1774 Tarland And Migvie
4. MARJORY LAING Christening: 20 APR 1774 Tarland And Migvie
5. ISOBEL LAING Christening: 06 FEB 1777 Tarland And Migvie
There are very few Laing births showing there, maybe the other fathers were siblings to John Snr. - hard to tell.
Monica
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keith61
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi Bruce, My name is Keith Laign Gordon a direct descendant of Peter Laign Gordon like yourself. I knew of our Canadian Cousins, but found you by accident, trying to discover what the relationship between John Gordon and Peter Laing?
I have in my possession what I believe to be the Walker Family Bible with lots of entries, also the Will of John Gordon where he bequeathed the Estate to Peter Laing. and lots more. We should make contact, now I have found you.
Best Wishes
Keith
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