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« on: Monday 19 January 09 03:29 UTC (UK) » |
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looking for info re. elizabeth wiseman gatt (b) Lerwick 1902, also who were
her ancestors, also her marr. to david smith.
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Re: GATT
« Reply #2 on: Monday 19 January 09 09:21 UTC (UK) » |
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thankyou ev my mother catherine gatt was a friend of elizabeth when they
were herring lassie's, i am quite sure we are related, I am trying to trace, elizabeth wiseman gatts ancestors
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Re: GATT
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 22 January 09 10:04 UTC (UK) » |
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elizabeth wiseman gatt's father william gatt possible (b) gamrie abt 1875
he died from burns received in a ship fire while trying to rescue two men from
the engine room he had got one out went back to get the other but didn't make it. in the Shetland Roll of Honour, he died 1940.
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Re: GATT
« Reply #5 on: Friday 23 January 09 04:12 UTC (UK) » |
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yes, william gatt died 16/12/1940, result of fire on HM boom defense
vessel FEAR NOT he reduced his age so he could join the RN. (b)abt 1875
the fire on the FEAR NOT occurred in Lerwick Harbour.
son of james & helen gatt/ms watt ?
husband of mary ann gatt of campbelltown.
mary ann gatt was stepmother to elizabeth wiseman gatt (b) 1902 Lerwick
I noticed on the CWGC buried in new machar cemetry ?
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Re: GATT
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 13 August 09 21:10 UTC (UK) » |
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My grandfather William Buchan Gatt was adopted my William Gatt and Mary Ann Gatt nee McMillian (she was from Campletown), His adopted father William Gatt was burnt on a boat in Lerwick harbour but died in Aberdeen hospital as he was flown there after the accident. I know my grandfather had a sister called Mary Ellen but did not know about Elizabeth wiseman however he did know wisemans in Lerwick so probably were related.
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Re: GATT
« Reply #7 on: Friday 14 August 09 10:35 UTC (UK) » |
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William Gatt b 1879 Gamrie died 16/12/1940 Newmachar Hosp,Aberdeen. Elizabeth Wiseman Gatt b Lerwick
was dau of (1) marriage to Margaret Wood Wiseman b 1882 Gamrie died unknown. I knew of (2) wife Mary
McMillan, but didn't know about, William Buchan Gatt adoption.
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Re: GATT
« Reply #8 on: Friday 14 August 09 18:09 UTC (UK) » |
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yes my granddad was known as Willie Gatt and he was brought up by William Gatt & Mary Ann. He had a sister called Mary Ellen but I'm not sure if she was adopted too or if her mother was Mary Ann or Elizabeth Wiseman. Did Elizbeth die then? Did they have children?
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Re: GATT
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 15 August 09 07:02 UTC (UK) » |
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Mary Ann McMillan was Elizabeth Wiseman Gatt's stepmother, Elizabeth died 1961 Geelong ,Vict. Australia.
Wiliam Gatt b 1879 Gamrie, his father James Gatt b 1852 Pennan was brother of my gr gr grandfather George Wilson Gatt b 1854 Pennan.
what was William Buchan Gatt's (dob) was he a fisherman.
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Re: GATT
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 15 August 09 09:29 UTC (UK) » |
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my granddad was born on 11/06/1920 in peterhead, his mother was Helen Buchan. Yes he was a fisherman but also was in the Navy working on a mine sweeper called the Fetlar. He was brought up in Lerwick but after the war he married a girl from West Lothian and eventually moved to campletown for a few years to be near his mother Mary Ann Gatt (nee McMillian). She must have moved back after her husband died. He then moved with his family to Corby in Northamptonshire, England to work in the steelworks. He died on the 13/08/1984. He always classed William and Mary Ann as his mother and father and did not want to know anything about his real mother even though she tried to contact him on many occasions. I have found out alot about his real mother and the circumstances of his adoption. It was not a legal requirement then to adopt through the courts so maybe the parents all knew each other. I know Helen Buchan did live on Shetland for a while.
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« Reply #11 on: Sunday 16 August 09 13:54 UTC (UK) » |
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Thankyou for giving me information on the website for the shetland isles it has proven very usefull. On looking at William and Elizabeth Gatt's family I have found that one of the living relatives mentioned is actually Mary Helen West Gatt born 1908 lerwick. My uncle said that my granddads sister was called Mary Ellen. I wonder if they are the same person or if Mary Ellen is a daughter to one of Williams and Elizabeth wiseman gatts children. My uncle is sure Mary Ellen was younger than my granddad, if this were the case she is not the daughter of william and Elizabeth. Mary Ellen had a son out of wedlock in lerwick called hector gatt and he was not born until 1941. If Mary Ellen were Mary Helen then she would have been about 33 when she had him so maybe a bit old to have him out of wedlock but you never know! I will have to keep researching!!
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Re: GATT
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 19 August 09 09:38 UTC (UK) » |
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it is easy to get confused when the names are so similar Mary Ellen is the daughter of Elizabeth Wiseman Gatt & David Smith , the gr dau of William Gatt b 1879. she is possibly still living in or near Edinburgh so I hear.
Mary Helen arrived in Australia 1926 as a baby with her Parents John Alexander Gatt &
Catherine Bruce , she is still with us but not interested in the past.
I found William Taylor Buchan & his mother Helen Buchan .
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« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 19 August 09 11:33 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi
I know it can be a bit confusing with names but I have looked at the birth cert on scotspeople and Mary Helen West Gatt born 12/03/1908 Parkfield Road, Lerwick is the daughter of William Gatt and Margaret Gatt nee Wiseman. The Mary Ellen who was the supposed sister of my granddad moved to North or South Sheilds and had family there. She had Hector Gatt and a daughter called Marian out of wedlock. I will have to ask my uncle how old she was compared to my granddad. You have found the correct birth for my granddad as his first name was William Taylor Buchan, however on is birth certificate it is changed to William Buchan Gatt.
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Re: GATT
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 20 August 09 00:37 UTC (UK) » |
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when you see Hector ask him if he knew Fred Smith brother of Mary Ellen
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