wookietoo
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Looks like some elimination to be done if your chap was registered as George Henry .....
Now you are really tying me up in knots as this part of the research was done a couple of years ago and I can't remember the full details. I gave up, waiting for the 1911 to come out!
I know I got several birth certs at the time.....
From memory I was looking for one married to Sophia or Sophie as she was known as Granma Sophie to somebody in the family I think.
I have a photo of his grave, died 7th Sept 1977 aged 73
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wookietoo
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Births Sep 1917
Cooper Eileen Apthorpe Camberwell v1d p1129
Oh God YES!
There was a sister Eileen, I had her as c1915
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The Buttons Pipes and Clarkes of Suffolk
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what do you think about the Margaret I added in above ?
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wookietoo
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Hi Wookie, sorry that its a lot of facts at a time ! please read all the posts carefully as I have some unaswered questions - ta . So where was George the shunter/porter in 1911, and what PoB does he show ?
Sorry, I'm having trouble keeping up!
I have to embarrassingly confess to a degree of ignorance and scarcity of cash!
I have paid to look at as many George's as I can afford (more, really) on the 1911 census, and can't find him anywhere - he is very much the missing link.
note mothers maiden name appears in Index post 1911 - seems a big gap ?
It looks very promising when you put it together with the Eileen Apthorpe Cooper!
I don't know how to find the index though so I don't know what you mean...... 
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Index as shown when you search FreeBMD for Births etc ...... after 1911 they showed mothers maiden name (I highlighted that particular one) in Birth Index and after 1912 (or vice versa) they showed Spouse name in the marriage index.
The name I showed was Eileen Cooper, Apthorpe is the index field for Mothers Maiden name ......
Did you see I found a Margaret born in Camberwell - might be Maisie ....
Well, if we cant find George in 1911, thats a blow cos we really need his PoB !
I'd leave it for a few months until you can get a subscription to the site - he isnt going anywhere 
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Hi W, I dont doubt that the George you back-tracked on and obtained a Birth Cert for is your man - I'm saying that given the FATHER's info about railway work etc shown on Marriage and Birth Certs, that the young George you found with Grandparents in the Butchery trade in the 1911 census may not be the same chap !
Which means that he might be one of the other Birth Index entries I showed, and that YOUR chap is elsewhere ...... altho given that it really looks like his Mum in hospital in 1911, being with Grandparents would not be unusual ..... so maybe the info about occupations was deliberatley wrong ?
so we need his Dad's info to make the link with the family George jnr was with in 1911, and the George I saw with them in the same road in 1901.
No, Eileens cert probably wont help - and the Margaret is pure guesswork based on a diminutive name and the District and year born - if you ordered it from the GRO you could make it conditional on mother's name, would save £3.00 if wrong.
All it might yield is another occupation for George and another address - other than proving that you were right about another daughter.
Phew, need to go and lie down now 
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lost me - which George went on to be a Lighting Tech in Elstree studios - father or son ?
Carman / Carrier - drove a horse and cart .... A person who drove a vehicle used to transport goods or maybe a forerunner of a Cab driver ..... google one of the old occupation sites ...
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now, if we could find the George from 1901 I showed in the butchers family - PoB Southall wasnt it .... in the 1911 .....
must go, good luck.
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Possibly a red herring but I searched the 1911 for a George Cooper, occupation Shunter, and there are ony 3:
George Henry Cooper age 31, occupation shunter, in Derby district (I can't quite make out who's in the household with him, but I see there's a George Henry Cooper age 6 in Derby as well ...)
George Cooper age 30, occupation shunter, in Wakefield district
George Edward Cooper age 25, occupation shunter, in Lambeth district
Grrrr ... can't wait for that census to be included in a subscription
Oops - just seeing new post ... good 
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