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Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 22 January 09 16:44 UTC (UK) »
RG13/261; Folio: 56; Page: 17 - St Luke, Finsbury


Now I'm totally bewildered !

How does a chap who is a Silk Tie Cutter, with a Father who is some sort of Printer get married a year later south of the River and transform himself into a Railway employee (shunter / porter ) and his dad into similar ?

So we've moved from Iver in Bucks Farming / Ag Labbing to Camberwell and Butchering to Finsbury ...



Hmmmm, I dont think you are there yet ....   Wink
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Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 22 January 09 16:50 UTC (UK) »
Every time I mentioned the research my mum keeps saying that they came from peabody buildings......
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Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 22 January 09 16:55 UTC (UK) »
Hi Tati -

did you spot any London PoBs for the 'Norveners' you found ?





Hi Wookie - dont mean to rain on your parade - it is possible that occupations were changed of course .....

Can you see the chap from the 1901 Peabody address in the 1911 census at all, I can only do superficial searches, but a silk tie maker of that name & age is in Islington ....

COOPER GEORGE Male 1881 age 30 Islington London



So I was sort of correct in questioning if the George you found as a grandchild in Camberwell was the right one, but ....... wasnt the Grandmother Eliza a Tie Maker - is that what is jogging a memory ?
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Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 22 January 09 16:59 UTC (UK) »
I just spoke to my mother and she said that Maisie definitely lived in Peabody buildings.....

I'll have a look at the 1911 now....
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Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
« Reply #34 on: Thursday 22 January 09 17:13 UTC (UK) »
If you use that 1901 site I showed you for address searches, there are Peabody addresses (Bldgs etc) in Holborn, Westminster, Bermondsey and Southwark amongst 300 or so hits ....
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Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 22 January 09 17:18 UTC (UK) »
oh no!!!!!!
Surely I can't be plagued by that much of a coincidence  Cry
I was so so pleased to have found him....

Ihave a horrible feeling that you are right though - I just searched 1911 and found this:

COOPER, GEORGE HEAD MARRIED 32 M 54 GOLD BLOCKER LONDON WESTMINSTER     
COOPER, EMMA WIFE MARRIED  F 52  LONDON SOUTHWARK     
COOPER, FLORENCE DAUGHTER SINGLE  F 27 UMBRELLA TIPPER LONDON HOXTON     
COOPER, HELENA DAUGHTER SINGLE  F 16 ERRANG GIRL LONDON ST LUKE'S     
COOPER, ALFRED SON   M 12 SCHOOL LONDON ST LUKE'S     
JACKSON, CHARLES BOARDER SINGLE  M 31 WAITER CLUB LONDON CLEKENWELL

Dad is still a printer in 1911

I going to go and have a sob now......
I just told the whole family that I found him!
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Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
« Reply #36 on: Thursday 22 January 09 17:29 UTC (UK) »
....  Sad

and I think you'll find that '1901 Peabody Bldgs' George is in Islington as a Silk Tie *, with two young sons in the 1911 - cant look at the transcription, sorry ...

Onward & upward .... I've been looking at the 1881 census for Georges in (South) London engaged in the Railway businees - theres a few, but mostly clerks, inspectors and engine drivers ....


see if you can find the George I found in 1901 - a Gen Lab, born Southall ...
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Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
« Reply #37 on: Thursday 22 January 09 17:35 UTC (UK) »

I think I already found that one a couple of days ago hahaha
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Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
« Reply #38 on: Thursday 22 January 09 18:19 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Newf on Thursday 22 January 09 16:55 UTC (UK)
Hi Tati -
did you spot any London PoBs for the 'Norveners' you found ?
I don't think so - they didn't show when I searched for birth place London or Middlesex  Undecided
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Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
« Reply #39 on: Thursday 22 January 09 18:24 UTC (UK) »
Ta muchly - any observations on the status quo ?
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Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
« Reply #40 on: Thursday 22 January 09 18:26 UTC (UK) »
I'm completely lost  Grin Grin
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Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
« Reply #41 on: Thursday 22 January 09 18:41 UTC (UK) »
So..... have we made any progress?

Yes, it looks like you found Eileen for me... Grin

Have we ruled out Iver Heath? I've looked through ALL the census pages for 1880 1890 and 1901 that covered Iver. There were quite a few Coopers living there. George 1881 doesn't necessarily have to be born there, the story is just that they came from that way......
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Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
« Reply #42 on: Thursday 22 January 09 21:12 UTC (UK) »


.....and I just bit the bullet to check all the 1904-born George Coopers on the 1911 census in the Southwark area and none of them match up, so I am only left with the Warwick option....
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Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
« Reply #43 on: Thursday 22 January 09 21:16 UTC (UK) »
Who were the marriage witnesses - anyone named Cooper?

If we are open to all suggestions, then there's also this one (he's still in the same area with his parents in 1901 though)
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=22339788
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Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
« Reply #44 on: Thursday 22 January 09 22:37 UTC (UK) »
No, there were no Cooper witnesses I'm afraid.....

The Brummie looks interesting....trying to find him in later censuses
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