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CA_Linda
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Knockwalloch
« on: Saturday 24 January 09 16:01 UTC (UK) »
Could someone clarify if Knockwalloch was a hamlet or farm? 

I have seen it given on an old map at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City.  The lady there said she thought it was a farm, but she wasn't sure. 

An old book belonging to Joseph Dickson (of Kirkcudbrightshire - went to Macoupin County, Illinois ca. 1841-1842) who had handwritten the names of Kirkpatrick Durham, Culshan, and Knockwalloch.  With Gadget's help, I now have the names and d. dates of my Joseph Dickson's parents and that his mother died at Knockwalloch.

Thank you from California.

Linda
Menifee, California
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DICKSON of Kirkcudbrightshire
DERBY of Kirkcudbrightshire
KIRKPATRICK d. Knockwalloch, Kirkcudbrightshire
WELSH of Kirkcudbrightshire & Dumfries
TOSH of Who-knows-where
Gadget
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Re: Knockwalloch
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 24 January 09 16:18 UTC (UK) »
Hi Linda  Smiley

I've found Knockwalloch Hill on the old Maps site www.old-maps.co.uk 

It is just to the east (right) of Kirkpatrick Durham village. I'll pan around to see if I can home in on Knockwalloch itself.

It might be worth your having a look around the map as well  Smiley


Gadget

Added - Knockwalloch is a series of about 3 buildings to the NE of K D village.  It looks to me like a farm or small group of farms at the most
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Re: Knockwalloch
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 24 January 09 16:26 UTC (UK) »
Lots if you Google, including what looks like a Quaker Meeting House:

http://www.uk-local-search.co.uk/details.aspx?id=1295655



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CA_Linda
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Re: Knockwalloch
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 24 January 09 17:02 UTC (UK) »
Gadget,

I saw that, too.  That is one of the reasons I posted the inquiry.  This would have been prior to 1842--I may try contacting the Quaker Meeting House. 

If they were Quaker, that might explain why I have not been able to find a record of the marriage of Joseph Dickson & Margaret (Derby) who was at the time of their marriage (before 1825) was widow of William Welsh who had died about 1815.  Also, no record (so far) found of the birth of their daughter, Helen/Ellen Dickson born abt. 1825.

Also have not found a marriage for William Welsh & Margaret Derby before 1815, but I think that one may have taken place in Dumfriesshire.

Thank you,

Linda
Menifee, California
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DERBY of Kirkcudbrightshire
KIRKPATRICK d. Knockwalloch, Kirkcudbrightshire
WELSH of Kirkcudbrightshire & Dumfries
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Re: Knockwalloch
« Reply #4 on: Friday 30 January 09 20:30 UTC (UK) »
Hello CA_Linda.

I noticed with interest your posting re Knockwallock and thought I'd add my comment.  I knew the name was familiar to me and also that it had been or still is a Quaker House.

One of my 2 x great aunts gave birth to a male child there in 1877.  As the child was illegitimate it may be that she had gone there for the birth and some support.  The certificate states that she is a domestic servant. 

J.A.
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CA_Linda
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Re: Knockwalloch
« Reply #5 on: Friday 30 January 09 23:42 UTC (UK) »
Hi J.A.

Thank you for the information regarding the Quaker House and the date of 1877 because they would explain and answers some of the questions I have regarding "missing" birth and marriage records of my Joseph Dickson family occuring in the early 1800s.

Linda
Menifee, California

Thank you for giving my the

Quote from: Northerngirl on Friday 30 January 09 20:30 UTC (UK)
Hello CA_Linda.

I noticed with interest your posting re Knockwallock and thought I'd add my comment.  I knew the name was familiar to me and also that it had been or still is a Quaker House.

One of my 2 x great aunts gave birth to a male child there in 1877.  As the child was illegitimate it may be that she had gone there for the birth and some support.  The certificate states that she is a domestic servant. 

J.A.
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DICKSON of Kirkcudbrightshire
DERBY of Kirkcudbrightshire
KIRKPATRICK d. Knockwalloch, Kirkcudbrightshire
WELSH of Kirkcudbrightshire & Dumfries
TOSH of Who-knows-where
Northerngirl
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Re: Knockwalloch
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 31 January 09 18:27 UTC (UK) »
Hello again CA_Linda.

You're welcome.  It would be nice to hear from another RCh member or two who perhaps could trace thier ancestors birth place to Knockwalloch.  Here's hoping - that is what this site is all about.

J.A.
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SCOTLAND
KBC interests - Murray and Shaw: Blacklock and Kirkland.
DMS interests - as KBC.

ENGLAND
Northumberland
Murray: > 1920 in Longbenton/Forest Hall; Howick 1920's
Elliott: North Nbld 1800's
Straughan/Straphen: North Nbld 1800's and 1910's/1920's Craster.
Henderson(nee Elliott)/Brodie Haydon Bridge 1900's
Bell (nee Elliott) Christon Bank/Embleton 1900's

IRELAND
County Mayo
Mills: Erris Head and Gortmellia
Mullarky: as same
Ginnelly: as same
KirstyG
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Re: Knockwalloch
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 01 February 09 01:55 UTC (UK) »
I'm afraid it's not an actual picture of Knockwalloch itself, but of the coutryside around it. I just thought someone might be interested.

http://www.geograph.org.uk/browse.php?p=513415

Kirsty
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CA_Linda
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Re: Knockwalloch
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 01 February 09 02:54 UTC (UK) »
Kirsty,

Thank you so much for the link!  I have spent over an hour looking at other locations and views both in Scotland and in England. 

Linda
Menifee, California
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DICKSON of Kirkcudbrightshire
DERBY of Kirkcudbrightshire
KIRKPATRICK d. Knockwalloch, Kirkcudbrightshire
WELSH of Kirkcudbrightshire & Dumfries
TOSH of Who-knows-where
Clingan
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Re: Knockwalloch
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 04 February 09 15:09 UTC (UK) »
Just come across this ref of Knockwalloch. Besides being a smashing name to roll off the tongue, it was also the place of birth (1772) of my 5x Gt Grandfather. Family were described as farmers/masons. Also resided at Pipercroft also as farmers/masons.
Regards
Ian Clingan
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CA_Linda
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Re: Knockwalloch
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 04 February 09 15:50 UTC (UK) »
Hi Ian,

I have noticed Clingan when searching for my Dicksons in Kirkcudbrightshire.  I see you have listed Berks County, Pennsylvania--were they Clinger, there? 

Have seen photos of the area online--so beautiful!  Would love to see photos of Knockwalloch ... I like the name, too.

Linda
Menifee, California

Quote from: Clingan on Wednesday 04 February 09 15:09 UTC (UK)
Just come across this ref of Knockwalloch. Besides being a smashing name to roll off the tongue, it was also the place of birth (1772) of my 5x Gt Grandfather. Family were described as farmers/masons. Also resided at Pipercroft also as farmers/masons.
Regards
Ian Clingan
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DICKSON of Kirkcudbrightshire
DERBY of Kirkcudbrightshire
KIRKPATRICK d. Knockwalloch, Kirkcudbrightshire
WELSH of Kirkcudbrightshire & Dumfries
TOSH of Who-knows-where
Clingan
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Re: Knockwalloch
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 05 February 09 00:48 UTC (UK) »
Hi Linda,
The Clingan's you refer to are my lot.
My Berks is the real one :-) Berkshire (Berks) England, that is.
Nice hearing from you.
Ian
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CA_Linda
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Re: Knockwalloch
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 05 February 09 01:53 UTC (UK) »
Hi Ian,

I should know better!   When I saw Reading, Berks I thought you were referrring to "our" Reading, Berks.  I have many ancestors who were there early ... early for us, that is (early 1700s).  My Reading, Berks families were German and Dutch ... late-comers no doubt with the earlier settlers probably from England. 

Linda
Menifee, California




Quote from: Clingan on Thursday 05 February 09 00:48 UTC (UK)
Hi Linda,
The Clingan's you refer to are my lot.
My Berks is the real one :-) Berkshire (Berks) England, that is.
Nice hearing from you.
Ian
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DICKSON of Kirkcudbrightshire
DERBY of Kirkcudbrightshire
KIRKPATRICK d. Knockwalloch, Kirkcudbrightshire
WELSH of Kirkcudbrightshire & Dumfries
TOSH of Who-knows-where
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Re: Knockwalloch
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 02 July 09 19:48 UTC (UK) »
Me again!!!

Knockwalloch is indeed a farm on the edge of KPD. Knockwalloch means the Hill of Walloch.

Further investigation turns this up, from The Book of Kirkpatrick Durham by Stark,p118:

"Dr Lamont (Reverend in parish)....bought...Knockwalloch in his own parish.  Upon the latter he built a large house, which he named Durhamhill.  It was built around 1820".
Knockwalloch is still a farm, as is Durhamhill.

Re the Quaker connection - a very common name around Corsock was/is McQuaker- I knew quite a few of them, mainly farmers.


Hope this helps.
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Re: Knockwalloch
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 02 July 09 20:01 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Clingan on Wednesday 04 February 09 15:09 UTC (UK)
Just come across this ref of Knockwalloch. Besides being a smashing name to roll off the tongue, it was also the place of birth (1772) of my 5x Gt Grandfather. Family were described as farmers/masons. Also resided at Pipercroft also as farmers/masons.
Regards
Ian Clingan

Is that the Pipercroft at KPD, up the track past Barmoffity? It is/was a small croft/smallholding at the top of th etrack; my music teacher lived there, a Mr Fleming, in the late 60s/70s.  It ahd no electricity and running water even at that comparatively late date. We used to walk up there for brambles and mushrooms.
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