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Kappalyn
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Eleack??? Northumberland
« on: Tuesday 27 January 09 23:36 UTC (UK) »
Hi, My GGGgrandfather was William Sharp.  According to 1851 census he was born in 1795 in a place called Eleack or Elsack in Northumberland.  Does anyone know what this could be since I assume it may have been written incorrectly as I have been unable to find anything that may resemble Eleack or Elsack.
Unfortunately he died before the 1861 census so I am stumped where to continue the search.

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Margaret

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Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 27 January 09 23:45 UTC (UK) »
I thnk it reads Elsack- could it have been misheard and should be Elswick?Huh


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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 28 January 09 00:33 UTC (UK) »
I'd have said Elswick too, just outside Newcastle

On familysearch.org is the birth of a William Sharp  28 May 1795,   bapt 6 Sep 1795       Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland  parents William Sharp  and Hannah - this is extracted from parish records
There is also a similar member-submitted entry, which gives the mother's name as Hannah Harrison - this would need to be checked against parish records

This may not necessarily be your William though  Undecided

Barbara
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Kappalyn
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Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 28 January 09 00:51 UTC (UK) »
Thank you.
The record of william in Familysearch is intriguing.  I wonder if it is him. I would like to think so but I guess there won't be any way to find out.
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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 28 January 09 01:23 UTC (UK) »
No probably not, the marriage entries in those days didn't usually give parents' names, so it might be difficult to be sure.

You can trawl through the Bishops' Transcripts free on familysearchlabs
http://www.rootschat.com/links/05bf/


Barbara
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Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 28 January 09 01:30 UTC (UK) »
Ok, Thank you for that.  The one thing against it being "my" William is that none of his children were named Hannah and I thought was quite usual to name a child after the grandmother...But maybe he was maverick and did things differently or just named them after his wifes family of whom I have no information either.  Smiley
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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 28 January 09 01:35 UTC (UK) »
It might be worth looking for the children's baptisms.  Sometimes the baptisms on those transcripts give much more information than is given in the IGI, I have found some which give mother's maiden name and place of birth, plus her father's name, birthplace and occupation,  but few and far between I'm afraid, you may be lucky

The other thing is that the transcripts are not indexed, so you need to trawl through them, but you can skip pages so it doesn't always take as long as you think it might!

Good luck
Barbara
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Kappalyn
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Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 28 January 09 01:44 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Barbara, I have started already!
However since his wife was from Ruabon in Wales he may have married her there, and his children were born in Tranmere Cheshire. Mary from Ruabon may be a bit hard to find although Ruabon surely could not have been very big so maybe there were not many Marys born there in 1809.
Do you have any idea where baptism records from Tranmere would be? If there is nothing on line I will be stumped.  I live in Australia so visiting  the records office would be somewhat difficult.
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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 28 January 09 02:06 UTC (UK) »
Hi Margaret,

Of course I saw the birthplaces earlier but promptly forgot, sorry, it's late here, time I went to bed! 

Can I suggest a posting on the Welsh board for Mary, and Cheshire for the children, although the Cheshire bmd site has their births I think: http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/
There's also a marriage in 1839 on there for Mary Ann Smith and William Sharp, may be a bit late for them.

Have you got them in 1841 to see if there were earlier children to give an idea of marriage date?  If not will have a look tomorrow for you if no-one else does before then

Barbara  Smiley
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Kappalyn
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Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 28 January 09 02:14 UTC (UK) »
Thank you Barbara  so much for your help.  Cheesy
I found another of of my ancient rels in the transcripts (actually it was the baptism of William & Marys daughter Margaret's, future husband!!)
And yes William and Mary are in Bebington Cheshire in 1841 and their oldest child is 6 so I guess they may have married about 1834 +/-
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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 28 January 09 09:37 UTC (UK) »
Hi Margaret,

That's great, so a posting on the Cheshire board for parish lookups would help - hopefully someone will be able to find the marrriage for you and births of the older children

Best wishes
Barbara  Smiley
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`There are two lasting bequests we can give our children -  One is roots - the other is wings`- Hodding Carter

Census and bmd information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

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Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 29 January 09 13:06 UTC (UK) »
If this is a mishearing of Elswick, then the parish would be St John's Newcastle.  The Bishop's transcripts for the parish are on line via the Family Search free web site. A brief examination turned up;
Sept 1795 bapt of William so William Sharp labourer and Hannah born 28th May 1795
Jan 1797 bapt of William so John Sharp labourer and Anne born Jan 4th 1794
bapt together with dau Eliz born May 1796
Hope this helps
Peter
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Kappalyn
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Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #12 on: Friday 30 January 09 01:34 UTC (UK) »
Thank you Peter, I can see i am going to be spending a lot of time going through the transcripts. Smiley
But it will be interesting because from what i can see from the census, there were a number of Sharps in Northumberland.  Alnwick is another place which maybe/could be??? mistacken for Elsack and there were quite a few Sharps there.
Margaret  Undecided
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Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #13 on: Friday 30 January 09 02:15 UTC (UK) »
Well have just gone through Bishops transcripts for Alnwick and no Sharps there.  So maybe it is Elswick and the ones you found are my Sharps!! Cheesy
Margaret
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Re: Eleack??? Northumberland
« Reply #14 on: Friday 30 January 09 16:37 UTC (UK) »
Hello Margaret,
It just occurred to me that Elwick, Northumberland is in the Bamboroughshire district, the focus of operations by a noted series of Sharps, high ranking clergymen and leading trustees of the Lord Crewe charity based on Bamborough castle. Elwick was the original seat of the Younghusband family but most of them in Victorian times were Generals or Admirals and domiciled elsewhere.  Did William Sharp become a shipowner by service at sea from a poor background or as a merchant investor of inherited money?
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