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peter brownlee
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Hello Margaret,
At this date class was largly a matter of income. If you lived like a gent you were accepted as one. If William's father was a Tyneside labourer then the most likely route to shipowning was by going to sea on a merchant ship as a teenager and rising by way of command to owning shares in ships. Lord Runciman owner of the Moor line fleet is a good example.
If William was a merchant before a shipowner it seems more likely he began as an apprentice in some trade on shore. Ruabon is an inland town connected by canal to Merseyside and in a coal mining area like Elswick on Tyneside. That might be a connection as to why he transferred from Northumberland to the Wirral.
He might turn up in Cheshire trade directories
If he sent his sons to sea as apprentices it would be in their teens and most likely on ships he had an interest in.
In 1839 a monument was placed in Bamborough church to the Sharps by Mrs Catherine Bowlt Sharp grandaughter of Archdeacon Sharp and daughter of Mr James Sharp a merchant of London, so some connection with that line is not impossible.
Hope this helps,
Peter
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peter brownlee
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Rooting further, Margaret,
Did you notice that in 1841 the Sharp's neighbours on boyh sides were corn merchants, and that in 1851 Mary and Pricilla were at boarding school with two girls born in Adelaide, South Australia, at that time a leading exporter of wheat by sea to the UK?
Perhaps there is something to be found in Australia.
Seamen on the high seas were enumerated as an addition to the 1861 census but only available on microfilm.
Peter
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Michael Dixon
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Margaret,
you mentioned tracing the Sharp children through their marriages...
For the children that were born from circa mid 1837, have you tracked down the relevant registration of their births ?
( Bebington, Tranmere, Birkenhead all lay within the Wirral Registration District)
IF William/Mary had been following the traditional child-naming convention, they would have named their SECOND daughter Hannah ( after her father's mother) IF William was son of a Hannah)
The birth of a HANNAH SHARP was registered in the March Qtr of 1839 at Wirral Reg District !
The birth of William Bethal Sharp was registered in the June Qtr of 1850 at Wirral. This could be the one yr old William B on C1851. If so where did the Bethal middle name come from ? The Surname Profiler web site shows the Surname Bethall to have roots in English Midlands, Norfolk and WALES !
On 1851 census Alfred is a Deaf & Dumb school in Rugby ( page ref 2069-356-53) The Warwickshire census enumerator in the "where Born" entered
" Birkenhead" . Bebington was about two miles from Birkenhead. Tranmere lay between the two.
Trivia Note.
A Northumbrian man who owned shares in ships in 1800s, originally listed himself as a "Butcher of Morpeth". Later as he was becoming successful, he called himself a "Gentleman Butcher", than even later as just "Gentleman".
So he moved " above his station" through successful business.
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For shipping business on the River Tyne, ships, master mariners and ship owners* had to registered annually. Resources in Archives and Libraries here in the north east show details of the shipping trade, including names dates tonnage voyages and much more.
I would guess there will something similar for shipping trade out of Birkenhead. Maybe William Sharp figures in these records ?
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By the way as a South-East Northumbrian, I pronounce Elswick as " elsik" and Alnwick as "anik"
Michael Dixon
Newcastle
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Names.
GALLAGHER ( + variations).
Areas. Co Sligo, Co Leitrim, Co Mayo. IRELAND.
Ontario, CANADA
Lowell, Ma, USA
Counties of Northumberland & Durham, ENGLAND
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MALEY/MELIA/MALLEY - with or without " O "
Westport Co Mayo. Northumberland
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DIXON
Cumberland.. Brampton, Carlisle, ENGLAND
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Michael Dixon
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Margaret..
On the topic of Alfred....
On searching..... if a target that should appear on a census but does not - consider amongst other thing - surname variation, mistaken transcription etc.
So vary your search criteria.. e.g. leave out the surname, using say, first name, year of birth and county of birth only....
Alfred name on the 1851 census as Sharp, but modern-day copier has read it as something else- forgotten what it was and can't get into Ancestry because of it's recent database problems- but if you enter the page ref on the Ancestry search page ( Piece = 2069, Folio = 356 Page = 53) you can navigate to the census page that holds an Alfred Sharp.
As a result of the Industrial Revolution, folk traditionally involved in agriculture were attracted to industrial centres, such as Merseyside. So there were major shifts in population movement. For example, in Northumberland many folk from the rural north and west of the county were drawn to the south-east corner for "better" prospects in coalmining, shipbuilding etc.
Michael Dixon
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Names.
GALLAGHER ( + variations).
Areas. Co Sligo, Co Leitrim, Co Mayo. IRELAND.
Ontario, CANADA
Lowell, Ma, USA
Counties of Northumberland & Durham, ENGLAND
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MALEY/MELIA/MALLEY - with or without " O "
Westport Co Mayo. Northumberland
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DIXON
Cumberland.. Brampton, Carlisle, ENGLAND
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peter brownlee
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Hello Margaret,
1851 census 9 Adelaide Tce, Great Cosby, Brighton Rock, Lancashire.
Mary Sharp 11 boarder scholar at home b Cheshire, Birkenhead
Priscilla Sharp 10 ditto
The previous entry has Elizabeth and Harriet Cock boarders and scholars b Adelaide Australia. Both houses hold other girls and scoolteachers and seem to be a boarding school. The placename is now Great Crosby. Brighton Rd and Adelaide Tce are in the Waterloo district of Liverpool not to be confused with New Brighton just opposite across the Mersey.
I was possibly a bit carried away about the Australian wheat connection being an old sailor. Most of Sharp's neighbours in 1841 are unspecific brokers and merchants but on the same page are a corn merchant and a corn broker's apprentice.
If Alfred is accounted for, it makes it more possible that Frederick had gone to sea. The famous colonial clippers began about this time. 1851 was the year of the Australian gold rush. In the following year there were 50 ships lying in Hobson's Bay deserted by their crews.
Perhaps some rootschatter on the Lancashire section might be able to identify William Sharp's ships. He must have been pretty succesful to employ five servants.
Peter
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peter brownlee
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Hello again Margaret.
Do you know that Google books have online copies of Lloyds Register of Shipping. I looked through the 1851 copy. There are two possibilities.
William Sharp or Sharpe owner of;
Ship, Clontarf 957 tons of Liverpool bound Liverpool to Bombay
Ship, Flora Macdonald 674 tons of Liverpool bound Liverpool to Bombay
Ship, Henry Gardner 701 tons of Liverpool bound Liverpool to Bombay
Both these latter were sold and diverted to California.
Ship, Lucy S Parsons 973 tons of Liverpool bound Liverpool to Manila.
The other is a company Sharp & co who seem to have had no regular port for their ships which were mostly smaller;
Snow, 243t Algenoria Hull to Baltic
Barque, 391t Corinthian Hull to America
Snow Dauson 231t Sunderland to America
Brig, Lucy Sharp 262 Liverpool to Rio
Ship Lydia 541t Newcastle to Calcutta
Barque Marquis of Bute London to Sydney
Ship Recorder, 512t Liverpool to Calcutta
Barque, Sharp 328t London to Madras
Sharp & co employed a J Sharp as master.
Hope this provides possible leads.
Peter
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peter brownlee
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Hello again Margaret'
Don't worry about the lack of tonnage. The biggest ship in the first fleet to Australia was only 440 tons, the smallest 160 tons. The enlargement of the later clippers beyond a thousand tons was effected by using iron and steel instead of wood.
The Clontarf was in New Zealand in 1858 under contract to the Canterbury Provincial govt. The Flora McDonald 674 tons arrived at Portland Bay Victoria 18th Aug 1852 according to the London Times. The Lucy Sharp was in Wellington in 1841 and the Marquis of Bute in Port Phillip the same year. I got these from the Mariners-L website. I guess the Australian and New Zealand shipping records would be more comprehensive and accessible. Did you notice that one of the NZ accounts of the talented Alfred identified his father as a captain and another gave his mother's name as Edwards?
Good luck, Peter
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Oh...how silly of me!! Guess I didn't read it closely enough. Still that does help a bit, since it tells me Frederick was not born in Cheshire.