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Abiam
RootsChat Aristocrat
Posts: 1372
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Hi,
I have only ventured north of the border once in 3 years family history! A friend has asked me to help her find her roots and they are in Scotland.
I have her father's birth cert here and under his mother's name is the date 1913 July 18. Would I be correct in thinking this is the marriage date?
I have registered with Scotland's people but finding it difficult to get around. Probably because I'm not used to it.
At the moment I don't seem able to find anything! Even the one that I have the cerificate for, there is not one in Kirkoswald.
I have found his sister I think Evelyn McLellan born 1912 County of Ayr
And the birth cert I have is for John McLellan Ferguson 28 May 1915
There should be an elder brother James born before John but I don't know where!
I think Evelyn may have been illegitimate as her surname is Mclellan.
The parents of these three were Joseph Morrison Ferguson (ploughman) and Evelyn McLellan and if the marriage date of 18 July 1913 is correct it may have been at Dalrymple.
If anyone can give me advice on how to go about finding more I should be very grateful.
Thank you,
Abiam
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JustJean
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi there
Not sure why you're not seeing the entry on SP for John. It's appearing in the index as:
1915 FERGUSON JOHN MCLELLAN M KIRKOSWALD /AYR 601/00 0014
Of course since these records you're searching are all in the Modern Indexes (ie past the 100 year cut off) then you won't be able to view and download a digital copy online. You can opt to order an extract right from the SP site but that would be a bit redundant in your case since you already have a copy!
It does sound like the date you mention is a wedding date but I'm not finding one in the indexes even when using wildcards. That could be several things....it's been missed from the records by SP, the informant made up a marriage date to appear married, they truly were married and it was never properly recorded...as in the case of an irregular marriage. Which would have been perfectly legal regardless...just doesn't help you now in learning their parents names and all that!!
You didn't mention but did the parents of John die outside of Scotland? If not their death certificates will contain info on their parents if the informant at the time knew the info.
Best wishes
Jean
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JustJean
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Posts: 493
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Serves me right! Didn't do my wildcards right the first time!!
Here's the marriage
1913 FERGUSON JOSEPH MCLELLAND EVELYN DALRYMPLE /AYR 588/00 0003
which is veiwable on SP.
You should be off and running with this info....both sets of parents are reported as still living!
Best wishes
Jean
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Abiam
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Jean,
Thank you! I don't know about running more like staggering. I am beginning to like SP is good! I am in the common room as well and will put the link here as people have been busy deciphering names and places for me.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,356798.0.html
Do you or does anyone know of a place called Hanlus in Aberdeenshire? This is where James Ferguson was born circa 1874. Google don't recognise it.
Regards,
Abiam
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DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
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MonicaLesl
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Abiam
As I mentioned in the other post, I think 'Hanlus' is a mistranscription on the index I am looking at for the 1901 census. From the possible birth we have for Joseph's father, James Ferguson, his birth place showed on IGI as 1874 Methlick - I know, nothing like 'Hanlus'! You should check the original image for the 1901 census on SP for accuracy. Transcriptions are great until they are mis- transcribed 
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Abiam
I see from the other post, that you have now looked at the 1901 census and still question marks over place of birth for James Ferguson. I thought I would add the section here from his birth cert in 1874 hoping that someone with more local knowledge of Methlick name places may recognise it
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Abiam
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Thanks, Andy.
No-one has heard of Hanlus! So you could be right,
Cheers,
Abiam
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Genealogists never die! They just undertake to join their ancestors!
DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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ankerdine
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Posts: 638
Without Autumn there would be no Spring....
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Abiam
I am so envious of your avatar and your water colour painting skills. I have been trying to do it for a couple of years now and haven't produced anything quite as delicate.
Look forward to seeing some more. Oh, I have the Dalrymple MIs if you need assistance in that area.
Judy
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Marshall, Williamson, Blair, Hoggart(h): Creetown, Stranraer, Dalrymple, Auchinleck, Coylton
Scott, Ayrshire and England
Saxton, Brown, Sketchley: Nottingham, Rutland, Leicestershire
Bradbury, Turner, Merricks: Walsall, Penkridge, Staffordshire
McColville, Halliday: Northern Ireland
Hawker, Davies: Aston, Birmingham, Shropshire, Malone: Black Country
Silvers: Dudley, Worcestershire
Blakemore: Black Country, Shropshire, Rhodes: Bilston
Rhodes: Dudley, Worcs
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Abiam
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Posts: 1372
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Hello Judy,
Thanks, unfortunately since I got a computer and started this 'hobby' I can't seem to get the urge to paint! I have tried but it just won't come. You must keep at it - it will come!
I have loads of pics on my computer and can use them as avatars so you will see some more!
I wonder if you can find anything in Dalrymple on Christina Morrison BMD anything. I don't know where she was born just that she married a John Ferguson. I have nothing more concrete. If you look on the link you'll see what problems I'm having. Maybe I should go back to the painting,
Cheers,
Abiam
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Genealogists never die! They just undertake to join their ancestors!
DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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ankerdine
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Posts: 638
Without Autumn there would be no Spring....
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Sorry I can't find anything of relevance in my MIs for Dalrymple.
Good luck. Someone on here is bound to help you considerably. I had an enormous amount of positive information from several rootschatters.
Judy
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Marshall, Williamson, Blair, Hoggart(h): Creetown, Stranraer, Dalrymple, Auchinleck, Coylton
Scott, Ayrshire and England
Saxton, Brown, Sketchley: Nottingham, Rutland, Leicestershire
Bradbury, Turner, Merricks: Walsall, Penkridge, Staffordshire
McColville, Halliday: Northern Ireland
Hawker, Davies: Aston, Birmingham, Shropshire, Malone: Black Country
Silvers: Dudley, Worcestershire
Blakemore: Black Country, Shropshire, Rhodes: Bilston
Rhodes: Dudley, Worcs
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ibi
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From Groome's Ordnance Gazetteer of Scotland, 'Haddo House, the seat of the Earl of Aberdeen, 2 miles SSE of Methlick village......"
I'd hazard a guess that there was an associated village or hamlet.
Or maybe the location was a farm that was part of the 1000 acre estate.
ibi
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JAP
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This seems to have been identified as Haddo on the other thread.
The curlicue on the end of the H is a bit misleading.
But just for info, if you go to
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/
and search for Methlick then scroll a couple of times to the west, Crofts of Haddo and then Haddo appear.
A search for Haddo on Streetmap also gets various hits ...
JAP
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Abiam
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Hi,
Thank you for your thoughts. It certainly sounds as though Haddo is the place.
Jap this sounds like one for you!
I really am stuck and think that maybe the best thing to do would be to write out the problems I have.
John McLellan Ferguson was born 28 May 1915 (have the cert)
at Mosside Cottage, District of Kirkoswald, Ayrshire. (About 5 miles south east of Maybole)
His parents: Joseph Morrison Ferguson (Ploughman) and Evelyn Ferguson (maiden name McLellan) Married 18 Jul 1913 at Dalrymple, Ayrshire. (Cert)
Joseph's birth cert shows registered 13 Apr 1883 (difficult to read) New Pitsligo Aberdeenshire.
His parents: James Ferguson (Ploughman) and Christina Ferguson (maiden name Shea) Married 18 Mar 1893 New Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire. (Cert)
Married one month before the birth.
Joseph's marriage cert shows 18 Jul 1813 Burnton, Ayrshire (Ploughman aged 20) and Evelyn McLellan (Farm sevant aged 21). Joseph was living at Cross House, Kilmarnock (difficult to read) and she was at Burnton Dalrymple. (Cert)
This is where the problem starts!
On the marriage cert of Joseph and Evelyn the parents are JOHN FERGUSON and CHRISTINA FERGUSON MAIDEN NAME MORRISON (Cert)
Are they the same people? I cannot find a marriage for John Ferguson and Christina Morrison.
Joseph Morrison Ferguson is killed in WW1 possibly 15 July 1917 leaving Evelyn with two children (should be three but I have not found the third)
The record I have found says he was born in Pitsligo Aberdeenshire living at Maybole Ayrshire and enlisted at Kilmarnock Ayrshire. He was a Private in the Highland Light Infantry and his number was 4095.
I hope this is clear enough it is very difficult to sort with poor images and different names. Can anyone help?
Something has just hit me! Joseph's middle name of Morrison matches the name on John/James Marriage cert to Christina Shea/Morrison.  There is something going on here, but what?
Could Christina have been pregnant by a Morrison but somehow married a Ferguson?
Thank you,
Abiam
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Genealogists never die! They just undertake to join their ancestors!
DOBSON,Berks, Wilts.DOPSON, Fyfield, Wilts
SMITH, WEBB, Little Gransden, Gamlingay, Cambs
WEBB, Hatley St George, Hunts
HUNT, Wanborough, Swindon, Wilts
TUBB, Hungerford, Berks, EGERTON, Highworth, Wilts
WISE, South Australia, WISE, Fawley, Berks
WISE, Bray, Binfield, Berks
WYSE, Wise, Maidenhead, Berks
VINCE, VINCENT, St Mary Bourne, Hants, Bucks, Berks
TUCKWELL ANYWHERE!
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MonicaLesl
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Abiam, how certain are you about a possible brother for Joseph called George Howie Ferguson 
Monica
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