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MonicaLesl
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Re: Charles Skene Slora and Susan Fraser (and Elizabeth Slora)-Aberdeen
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 29 January 09 23:15 UTC (UK) »
The trees info on Ancestry (there are a number of entries) are following through Annie Slora's line, b. 1874.
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

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MonicaLesl
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Re: Charles Skene Slora and Susan Fraser (and Elizabeth Slora)-Aberdeen
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 29 January 09 23:38 UTC (UK) »
Stuart

On these trees, there a bit on info on Charles and Susan, such as:

Charles Slora

Parents
John Slorach 1807 – 1868 at 22 Spa Street
Elizabeth Murray 1811 – 1896

Charles' Death in 1896 14 Jun, Age: 48 at the Glasgow Royal Infirmary
Residence, 21 Milton Street, Glasgow



Susan Gammack

Parents
William Fraser  – 1868 (again working back from Susan's marriage I would assume)
Jean Gammack b. Rathen 1819 – 1886*

* Parents of Jean Gammack, Susan's mother:

James Gammack 1799 – 1869 d. Peterhead (Parents: John Gammack 1757 –  Sophia Brown)
Anne Lawrance 1791 – 1871 d. Peterhead (Parents: Charles Lawrance 1760 – 1850 and Margaret Yule 1764 – 1851)

Nothing of note on William Fraser but quite a bit on Jean Gammack:

Spouse
James Coutts 1811 – 1881


 Roll Eyes I think you have plenty for now Stuart to let you verify the lines. Lucky to have found all this info  Smiley

Monica


 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
stuartroxy
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Re: Charles Skene Slora and Susan Fraser (and Elizabeth Slora)-Aberdeen
« Reply #17 on: Friday 30 January 09 17:14 UTC (UK) »
Monica,

That's great.  Thanks. 

As you say, I've got quite a lot to be going on with. 

If I find anything, I'll let you know.

Stuart
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stuartroxy
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Re: Charles Skene Slora and Susan Fraser (and Elizabeth Slora)-Aberdeen
« Reply #18 on: Friday 30 January 09 20:36 UTC (UK) »
Quite a lot seems to be slipping into place!

I knew that my Dad used to come on his holidays to Forres - I now think that I know why!

Mary Ann Slorach (b1836) matches on IGI and SP - but it doesn't match with the 1851 census.  Help?

On the Susan Gammack line (above) does it imply that Susan was the daughter of Jean Gammack and William Fraser, but Jean married James Coutts?

(Coutts is a common name in the family line.)

Stuart
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MonicaLesl
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Re: Charles Skene Slora and Susan Fraser (and Elizabeth Slora)-Aberdeen
« Reply #19 on: Friday 30 January 09 21:25 UTC (UK) »
Hi Stuart

I'm struggling to find the family on the 1841 to double check but in respect of Mary Ann's dates, I think perhaps the Mary Ann that shows on record for 1836 may have died and then the name re-used for the Mary Ann who shows as aged 3 b. in Old Marchar on the 1851 census.

Regarding the family information for Susan. The trees that I have seen do outline what you are saying. That Susan was born illegitimately to Jean Gammack and a William Fraser (nothing on him so perhaps nothing was ever able to be found on him). Mother Jean, as you rightly say, shows as having gone on to marry a James Coutts. Quite a lot of research seems to have been done into on the Gammack side of the family.

Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
MonicaLesl
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Re: Charles Skene Slora and Susan Fraser (and Elizabeth Slora)-Aberdeen
« Reply #20 on: Friday 30 January 09 21:48 UTC (UK) »
 Undecided Not sure if Jean Gammack and James Coutts actually 'married' just because of the way their children's birth entries show on IGI:

1. MARY COUTTS   Birth: 25 OCT 1855 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen
2. JAMES COUTTS OR GAMMACK Birth: 29 MAR 1859 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen...the way this has been written up would normally imply an illegitimate birth...I've just double checked on the trees we have found (gosh, it's beginning to sound like the Gammack bible!) and they also show them as unmarried.

The family entry in 1861:

James Coutts 49, wood sawyer b. Strathdon, Aberdeenshire
Jean Coutts 43, b. Fraserburgh, Aberdeenshire
Mary Coutts 57 daughter (wrong age if she was born in 1855!), b. Aberdeen
Susan Gamack 14, daughter, flax spinner, b. Ellon

Address: 19 John Street, St Nicholas

For completeness, Susan in 1851:

William Simpson 72, Farmer Of 5 Ac Emp On Lab, b. Lochal, Aberdeenshire 
Robert Simpson 45, son , b. Old Machar, Aberdeenshire
Jean Gemmach 30, house servant, b. Rathen, Aberdeenshire
Susan Gemmach 3, servant's daughter, b. Ellon

Address:     Cultertie Side, Foveran, Aberdeenshire

Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
stuartroxy
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Re: Charles Skene Slora and Susan Fraser (and Elizabeth Slora)-Aberdeen
« Reply #21 on: Friday 30 January 09 21:58 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Monica,

I looked for Mary Ann Slora(ch) in 1848 on IGI and SP to no avail.  I accept that she might have died young; however, if she was 3 on the 1851 census, I would have expected her to be christened.

Might the age have been transcribed incorrectly?

Or am I completely wrong?

Stuart
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MonicaLesl
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Re: Charles Skene Slora and Susan Fraser (and Elizabeth Slora)-Aberdeen
« Reply #22 on: Friday 30 January 09 22:04 UTC (UK) »
She may well have been christened Stuart but records not survived over the years. When I looked last night, she didn't show in 1861, just Charles and sister Jessie. You could check for deaths to see whether she may have died between 1855-61.

On a different point, I've just been going through the trees again  Roll Eyes, one in particular seems v. well researched and goes back on some of the lines to early 1600s with a lot of detailed info including some burials etc.

I've just checked the profile of the tree owner and he/she is active...having last logged in yesterday   Grin Would you like me to contact them on your behalf and ask them to get in touch so you can compare notes?

Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
MonicaLesl
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Re: Charles Skene Slora and Susan Fraser (and Elizabeth Slora)-Aberdeen
« Reply #23 on: Friday 30 January 09 22:08 UTC (UK) »
The Slora 1861 entry:

John Slora 54, Dorks (?spl) Lodge Keeper, b. Forres, Morayshire
Eliza Slora 50, b. Duffus, Morayshire
Jessie E M Slora 14, Match Bore Maker, b. Old Marchar
Charles S Slora 10, b. Old Marchar

Address: 22 24 Spa St, St Nicholas
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
stuartroxy
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Re: Charles Skene Slora and Susan Fraser (and Elizabeth Slora)-Aberdeen
« Reply #24 on: Friday 30 January 09 22:23 UTC (UK) »
I looked for deaths of Mary Ann Slora.  Nobody of that name born around 1848 died in that time.  Mary Ann Slora died in 1850 - she was born in 1838.

Stuart
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MonicaLesl
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Re: Charles Skene Slora and Susan Fraser (and Elizabeth Slora)-Aberdeen
« Reply #25 on: Friday 30 January 09 22:42 UTC (UK) »
Where is this info from? So, looks like our friendly transcription service has messed up. May also explain the age discrepancies on Jessie on the census transcripts.
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
stuartroxy
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Re: Charles Skene Slora and Susan Fraser (and Elizabeth Slora)-Aberdeen
« Reply #26 on: Friday 30 January 09 23:03 UTC (UK) »
Monica,

This death info comes from SP - I haven't downloaded the DC yet (Wife is watching over the computer Shocked)

Stuart
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MonicaLesl
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Re: Charles Skene Slora and Susan Fraser (and Elizabeth Slora)-Aberdeen
« Reply #27 on: Friday 30 January 09 23:11 UTC (UK) »
I asked because you said 1850 which is pre the start of official reg. and no death certs available. Did you mean 1860?
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
stuartroxy
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Re: Charles Skene Slora and Susan Fraser (and Elizabeth Slora)-Aberdeen
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 31 January 09 13:48 UTC (UK) »
Oops! Well spotted.

She died in 1860.

Stuart.
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stuartroxy
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Re: Charles Skene Slora and Susan Fraser (and Elizabeth Slora)-Aberdeen
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 01 February 09 11:03 UTC (UK) »
I think that this thread has just about run its course - at least in the Aberdeen section.  I'll do a bit more investigation and may post in the Moray Section.

thanks again, Monica.

Stuart
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