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spiderboy
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1911 Subscription - Clarification.
« on: Saturday 31 January 09 16:08 UTC (UK) »

From a FMP newsletter received today

“The census will be available on findmypast.com later this year, as part of a brand new subscription package. Existing findmypast.com subscribers will be offered an add-on package at a preferential rate.”

So now we know that it will be costing us more, be interesting to see how much??? Huh

Spiderboy.
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I’m Researching:
CON: Chegwyn, Trayer.
DEV: Bickle, Chegwyn, Gaskin, Hill, Metter, Perry.
DOR: Butcher, Herridge, King, Pain, Palmer, Passmore.
GLS: Martin, Nelmes, Woodward, Young.
SOM: Major, Nation, Sims.
L&SWRailway: Damen, Young.
Wife Researching:
DOR: Burt, Gent, Watts.
STS: Bailey.
SAL: Dawes.
SCT: Raith, Smith, Edwardson. Mollison. Wilson. (MLN & SLI)
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Re: 1911 Subscription - Clarification.
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 31 January 09 16:13 UTC (UK) »

Interestingly my sub is due for renewal next month and I have just received an email from FMP offering me a discount on the sub.  So then will the 1911 add on add up to the full price when it becomes available?  Roll Eyes

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spiderboy
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Re: 1911 Subscription - Clarification.
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 31 January 09 16:55 UTC (UK) »

They were offering 15% off around Xmas. My guess would be that it'll be quite a bit more than that Sad
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I’m Researching:
CON: Chegwyn, Trayer.
DEV: Bickle, Chegwyn, Gaskin, Hill, Metter, Perry.
DOR: Butcher, Herridge, King, Pain, Palmer, Passmore.
GLS: Martin, Nelmes, Woodward, Young.
SOM: Major, Nation, Sims.
L&SWRailway: Damen, Young.
Wife Researching:
DOR: Burt, Gent, Watts.
STS: Bailey.
SAL: Dawes.
SCT: Raith, Smith, Edwardson. Mollison. Wilson. (MLN & SLI)
Sloe Gin
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Re: 1911 Subscription - Clarification.
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 31 January 09 17:13 UTC (UK) »

Anyone who took up the subscription offer pre-January will have read the following:

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Why join now? 2009 is going to be a big year!

2009 will see us finish our new versions of the last two England & Wales censuses (1851, 1901), add images to the 1881 census, and most importantly, will see us add the brand-new 1911 census later in the year.

We will be the only website to include the 1911 census next year, meaning findmypast.com will be the only place to find the complete censuses 1841-1911.

and this:

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The Explorer subscription entitles you to unlimited access to all records on the findmypast.com website, excluding Living Relatives where you will have ten free searches per annum (or pro rata for a shorter subscription). The Explorer subscription does not cover access to the military memorial scrolls.

Why did they not openly state the conditions for viewing the 1911 census, ie that it would not be included in the current top subscription?  It looks like a deliberate attempt to mislead and deceive.   They should hang their heads in shame.

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eagleye
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Re: 1911 Subscription - Clarification.
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 31 January 09 17:16 UTC (UK) »

Spiderboy,

I see you are researching Herridge in Dorset.

My ex-boss, till 1995, was Michael Herridge from Dorset, a member of the Diplomatic Corps.

Mean anything to you?
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Re: 1911 Subscription - Clarification.
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 31 January 09 17:33 UTC (UK) »

Hi

I've already done the upgrade and it's VERY EXPENSIVE. I've just bought my next £50 worth of credits! It is the first census where the householder filled in the form themselves, many couldn't spell and their writing is appalling. Also I've found to my cost they often use the names that their children are known as at home. Therefore I'm hunting for Elizabeth and find after spending £10 she's listed as Bessie!
I had several attempts to find my father who had been born in 1909 only to find the surname was transcribed as Natson instead of Watson. I've already notified them of nearly a dozen transcription errors.
It's free to type in the name and date of birth, they then give you loads of options of possibles, if like me you're not sure you can spend £10 before you've got anywhere!
I've written to Ancestry.com to ask when they will be adding the 1911 to their databases, unfortunately they tell me not for sometime as Find My Past has exclusive rights.
Hope this helps!
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spiderboy
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Re: 1911 Subscription - Clarification.
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 31 January 09 18:05 UTC (UK) »

I know someone that actually asked for clarification of what he thought was an ambiguous statement referring to the availability of the 1911 in their discount offer. Needless to say he had no reply until after the time had lapsed and that simply told him that it there would be no subscription access until a later date and added that at the time they had no further details as to when it would be available. Noticeably there was no mention of charging for an additional subscription. It also appears that their advertising did not make it clear that their other census information was incomplete. At the very least it is a case of “Buyer Beware”. Generally it seems that there is a recent trend amongst the subscription companies to lean towards these add-ons.
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I’m Researching:
CON: Chegwyn, Trayer.
DEV: Bickle, Chegwyn, Gaskin, Hill, Metter, Perry.
DOR: Butcher, Herridge, King, Pain, Palmer, Passmore.
GLS: Martin, Nelmes, Woodward, Young.
SOM: Major, Nation, Sims.
L&SWRailway: Damen, Young.
Wife Researching:
DOR: Burt, Gent, Watts.
STS: Bailey.
SAL: Dawes.
SCT: Raith, Smith, Edwardson. Mollison. Wilson. (MLN & SLI)
Sloe Gin
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Re: 1911 Subscription - Clarification.
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 31 January 09 18:13 UTC (UK) »

I've already done the upgrade and it's VERY EXPENSIVE

Bit confused here, what upgrade?

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It is the first census where the householder filled in the form themselves

No, they did that in previous censuses and the enumerator copied the forms into a book.  This is just the first census where the original forms were kept.

Back on topic, I'm sure brightsolid or whatever they're called had their lawyers go over all the advertising with regard to trades descriptions etc, but it'd be interesting to see someone mount a legal challenge.  They have sailed very close to the wind imo.

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spiderboy
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Re: 1911 Subscription - Clarification.
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 31 January 09 18:45 UTC (UK) »

Hi Eagleye
Thank you for your interest. At the moment your Michael Herridge means nothing to me but I would be interested in his origins if you have any information that you can pass on.

My Herridge family originally came from Frome, Somerset to Weymouth around 1846 and unfortunately other than my direct line I have little or no information on family members after 1901. Of course this will hopefully change as and when the 1911 census becomes part of FMP. Yes no doubt I will succumb and pay the extra when the time comes. At present I have managed to confine myself to downloading my direct lines without wasting any money (current costs = £25) but have a very long list of various other potential cousins waiting to be checked.
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I’m Researching:
CON: Chegwyn, Trayer.
DEV: Bickle, Chegwyn, Gaskin, Hill, Metter, Perry.
DOR: Butcher, Herridge, King, Pain, Palmer, Passmore.
GLS: Martin, Nelmes, Woodward, Young.
SOM: Major, Nation, Sims.
L&SWRailway: Damen, Young.
Wife Researching:
DOR: Burt, Gent, Watts.
STS: Bailey.
SAL: Dawes.
SCT: Raith, Smith, Edwardson. Mollison. Wilson. (MLN & SLI)
rothermelbird
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Re: 1911 Subscription - Clarification.
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 31 January 09 18:50 UTC (UK) »

sorry - perhaps I used the wrong word in upgrade.
It's just that I received an email from Find My Past trying to tempt me to buy credits for the 1911 - when I saw the prices I considered it an upgrade!
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drewhowson
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Re: 1911 Subscription - Clarification.
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 31 January 09 20:34 UTC (UK) »

Hi,
this is the repy i got from FMP when i enquired about the renewal of my subscription.

Thank you for your email.

1911census.co.uk is a PayAsYouGo site and will remain so in line with our contract with The National Archives.

Our contract stipulates that we must offer the service as PayAsYouGo at launch and are not able to offer subscriptions or records on findmypast at this stage. We are keen to increase the offering to our subscribers on findmypast and will look to add 1911 census as a subscription offer later in the year and as soon as we are able.

Releasing 1911 census on findmypast cannot happen until the 1911 census is complete. Once it has been completed we will be working to prepare the 1911 census for release on findmypast and will let our customers know the options for accessing the census by email.

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Re: 1911 Subscription - Clarification.
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 17 October 09 11:29 UTC (UK) »

I'm rather confused about all this. I've just paid my suscription for the year. I#d let it slip to use Ancestry instead but having been lured by the promise of unlimited access to the 1911 census I paid up!

But there still seems to be areas missing! I can't find any of my many familiy memebers who livess in the south east area of London. No Kennington, no Lambeth or Deptford. Nor can I find any actual info on the site it itself that explains whether all the areas have been uploaded yet. For the moment it's a bit of a con!
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Eaton (Woughton on the Green, Doncaster and N. London), Davis(Shinfield and London), Harrington (Ireland and London), Sutcliffe (Todmorden and London), Williams, Hollingsworth (Thaxted), Lane (Rotherhithe), Fuller (Chesterton, Cambs), Dilley (who knows where?Huh)
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Re: 1911 Subscription - Clarification.
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 17 October 09 11:51 UTC (UK) »

Hi

It could be that you are putting too much info in the search field. I just did a search putting Deptford as place of residence and all other fields blank. The result was 298 pages. Start off with just name and county (London)

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spiderboy
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Re: 1911 Subscription - Clarification.
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 17 October 09 12:36 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jillie

As far as I know all of the data that can be uploaded has been. The only thing missing at present is the enumerator’s sheets on FMP and they have informed us that they will be available shortly. I take it you know that due to different search engines being used it is possible to get different results from searches done on the 1911 and FMP sites.

Spiderboy.
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I’m Researching:
CON: Chegwyn, Trayer.
DEV: Bickle, Chegwyn, Gaskin, Hill, Metter, Perry.
DOR: Butcher, Herridge, King, Pain, Palmer, Passmore.
GLS: Martin, Nelmes, Woodward, Young.
SOM: Major, Nation, Sims.
L&SWRailway: Damen, Young.
Wife Researching:
DOR: Burt, Gent, Watts.
STS: Bailey.
SAL: Dawes.
SCT: Raith, Smith, Edwardson. Mollison. Wilson. (MLN & SLI)
Jillie42
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Re: 1911 Subscription - Clarification.
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 17 October 09 12:47 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jillie

I take it you know that due to different search engines being used it is possible to get different results from searches done on the 1911 and FMP sites.

Spiderboy.

Sadly yes Roll Eyes Thing is, I KNow the people I'm looking for are on the census - i found them when I was searching 1911census.co.uk. Unfortunately, because the searches were so expensive I've only got a photocopy of the actual census page for one ancestor but haven't got the reference number so can't find it again.

It shouldn't be difficult. it's for a Cornelius and Mary Harrington living in Deptford and yet I get no results. And also a Mary Anne Sutcliffe born Rotherhithe 1871 and her son Henry born 1899. There can't be many Sutcliffes in south east London and yet my search doesn't show up any at all!
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Eaton (Woughton on the Green, Doncaster and N. London), Davis(Shinfield and London), Harrington (Ireland and London), Sutcliffe (Todmorden and London), Williams, Hollingsworth (Thaxted), Lane (Rotherhithe), Fuller (Chesterton, Cambs), Dilley (who knows where?Huh)
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