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Topic: 1891 Birth Lookup CHILD in Waterford? (Read 1060 times)
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Christopher
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Hiya Colin,
I had a look at Griffiths Valuation for Waterford. 1848-51 failteromhat.com There were no families named Child. Irish Ancestors surnames (also based on the Valuations) produced two families with the surname Child. One in Belfast City and one in Co. Meath.
It might be worthwhile trying both Waterford City Library and Waterford County Library HQ at Lismore
Do you know anything about Nahneen's mother? Since there appear to have been so few families named Child in Ireland I wonder whether either the Belfast family or the Co. Meath family are related to your Waterford family? Please let me know what reply you get from the libraries.
All the Best, Chris
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Colin Y
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Uncle Fred - England XI 1908 - POW Berlin 1914-19
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Hiya Christopher!
Thanks for your help.
Nope, thats the problem. Nahneen was very secretive about her parentage. Only on her deathbed did she say anything and all she did say was of no help "speak to solicitor Sarl (sic) who has information for you."
Her marriage certs refer to, on one, her father as being Henry William CHILD and on the other William Henry CHILD! No address given. 'Of independednt means' (ergo alive) in 1914, but 'Deceased' in 1923.
It is surmise on our part (me and her daughter) that her Mums reaction at hearing of the death of "Diana" was extreme for other than a close relative and they were born within at most 5 years - at least possibly a month, of one another.
I'll try those two sites right away.
All such ideas welcome!
Colin
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COLLERIN aka COLLINS GALLAGHER and COX [RC] Highgate, Small Heath, Birmingham 1840-, IRL (?) earlier
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Christopher
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Hei Colin,
Send an e-mail to the librarian at both the City and County Library. I find librarians are usually extremely helpful and in addition to any information they may be able to find for you they may make one or two suggestions regarding other people who may be able to assist you. I'm just off the phone with a friend who lives a few miles from Waterford. She's a member of Rootschat too. She agreed that trying the libraries was a good idea.
I've just seen a Colonel Childe of 7, Mount Charles, Belfast in the 1861 Directory of Belfast and the Province of Ulster which is online (google Lennon Wylie). I saw your message on Genforum mentioning the British East India Company. This Company had their own troops so Colonel Childe of Belfast may have been with the BEIC. We may have problems verifying this as the Directory omitted to mention any Christian names or give any initials. Mount Charles was (and still is) an area where the well to do of Belfast lived. There are beautiful properties in the area. I suppose if we can discover no more about the Colonel by any other means we may be able to learn about him through his Mount Charles property. I have no knowledge of how one goes about that but I am prepared to learn.
All the Best, Chris
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Christopher
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Colin,
I've found a Captain Childe son of Edith and the late Colonel L. Childe (Indian Medical Service}
I am not sure if we are on the right track. What do you think about Childe as opposed to Child?
Chris
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Colin Y
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Yes, you got me!
Where and when was he found, Chris?
Childe is only a pronunciation difference, Childs too.
What were his forenames?
Colin... on tenterhooks!
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YARWOOD in Warks/Ches/Staffs/Salop/Worcs but also in London - Northants, Lincs and adj counties.
PENTLAND in Warks/Worcs/Staffs, IRL: Arm & Down. NZ post 1884 and SCO pre 1800. ORKNEY earlier
COLLERIN aka COLLINS GALLAGHER and COX [RC] Highgate, Small Heath, Birmingham 1840-, IRL (?) earlier
FRYER/FRIAR Ulster SCO
BROOKES in WARKS/WORCS Moseley, RA
WRIGHT Northants
JENNER/LASCELLES ENG AUS
CHILD almost anywhere
MURLY/MURLEY Som & Dors NZ Brazil
READER & ROGERS Derby & Bucks, RODGERS Derby
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Christopher
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Hiya Colin,
Captain CHARLES MURRAY CHILDE (aged 21) - Died of wounds 21st March 1916 - 8th Battalion
Son of Edith and the late Lieut-Colonel L. Childe (Indian Medical Service).
Buried at Merville Communal Cemetery, Nord.
Captain Childe was a member of the Gloucestershire Regiment.
I have just looked in the 1880 Directory of Belfast and Province of Ulster. There were two people named Child.
James Child, overseer, 11 Whitla Street
Mrs. Child, 35 Botanic Avenue. That's close to Mount Charles where the Colonel was in 1861.
I wonder if she would be the Colonel's widow. She might have moved to a smaller property when he died.
Chris
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Colin Y
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Thanks Chris.
I'll have to check on the location of the Glosters and the Colonels postings. My Nahneens first father in Law was a Col in the Army Medical service too - he was a Julian Hayes, son of Patrick Hayes of Tipperaray but they lived in Kent.
I suppose that while the Captain is not the father for my girls he was born 1895 so he could be a brother - they were born 1890 &/or 1891 according to their Court statements and birthdates. Diana said in her Court statement she was 35. She said she had married the Baronet in the Dec Quarter of 1906, when she was 16. Nahneen had always told her daughter she was born in July 1891. I am thinking that this could atually make them twins and that migt make then easier to find?
The fact that my girls, like me, had 3 forenames suggests they were Catholic - only suggests, note ;-) - and the Captain did not so that equally suggests he was not Catholic.
The girls claimed their father was George (Dana) and Henry William/William Henry (Nahneen).
The names worry me! Nahneen is unique but it is a soundex for the irish name Nanine. Dianas real names began with Algorta (accoring to her FREEBMD marriage record / Burkes). Algorta is equaly unique as a forename - its the name of a beach rsort just outside of Bilbao i northern spain. Who would know that? ow?
Thanks for your continuing. Please rememeber by other Irish interests if and when youi ae i GRONI and ever have a free moment - My Gt Grandpa was J G Pentland born 1873 Lurgan, son of Robert & Anne Beattie née McLelland. Roberts father was John Pentland son, we believe of George Willia Pentland and Marry Allison ARMOR Graham of Gilford area / Drumaran, Tulylish, Down. Johns sister, Mary, was the mother of George Pentland Draney subsequently a leader in the Mormon church. We dont 'know' of any other siblings but habve loads of candidates! This element of my family is on the back burner at pres!
Colin
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YARWOOD in Warks/Ches/Staffs/Salop/Worcs but also in London - Northants, Lincs and adj counties.
PENTLAND in Warks/Worcs/Staffs, IRL: Arm & Down. NZ post 1884 and SCO pre 1800. ORKNEY earlier
COLLERIN aka COLLINS GALLAGHER and COX [RC] Highgate, Small Heath, Birmingham 1840-, IRL (?) earlier
FRYER/FRIAR Ulster SCO
BROOKES in WARKS/WORCS Moseley, RA
WRIGHT Northants
JENNER/LASCELLES ENG AUS
CHILD almost anywhere
MURLY/MURLEY Som & Dors NZ Brazil
READER & ROGERS Derby & Bucks, RODGERS Derby
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Colin Y
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Uncle Fred - England XI 1908 - POW Berlin 1914-19
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Chris
I dont know if you remember but I was seeking the origins of two ladies, both with the surname Child.
I now know almost certainly that they were sisters.
I now also know that their forenames (which were at times swapped around and changed later) were:
Algorta Blanche Marjorie born c. 1889
Nahneen Helen Yvonne born 24 jul 1891
Algorta must have come to London before 1906, when she married. She said she had broken with her husband before she was 18 (1907).
April 2nd 1911 finds them together at 10 Mills Buildings, Knightsbridge, London where they said they were born in Ireland.
Any ideas how I can now refine this, please?
Colin
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YARWOOD in Warks/Ches/Staffs/Salop/Worcs but also in London - Northants, Lincs and adj counties.
PENTLAND in Warks/Worcs/Staffs, IRL: Arm & Down. NZ post 1884 and SCO pre 1800. ORKNEY earlier
COLLERIN aka COLLINS GALLAGHER and COX [RC] Highgate, Small Heath, Birmingham 1840-, IRL (?) earlier
FRYER/FRIAR Ulster SCO
BROOKES in WARKS/WORCS Moseley, RA
WRIGHT Northants
JENNER/LASCELLES ENG AUS
CHILD almost anywhere
MURLY/MURLEY Som & Dors NZ Brazil
READER & ROGERS Derby & Bucks, RODGERS Derby
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aghadowey
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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See that you have numerous posts on various sites searching for Child family but can't see that there is any proven connection to Waterford yet.
This post lists father George William Child as father of Algorta and Nahneen:
http://genforum.com/cgi-bin/print.cgi?child::393.html
Is the only definite reference to Ireland the girls listing their birthplaces as Ireland in 1911 census?
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Colin Y
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Nope, and thanks for your interest!
These two girls... or the daughter of one of them (now 84) believes there was a connection but that George was referred to by Mum (NHYC) as "Uncle" but then all of our parents friends were Uncle and Aunty in those days and for many years after :-)
The Irish origin is well proven by the 1911 record and by BMAs Prison record as well as by NHY to her daughter off hand - she never told her anything about her origins/parents etc.
As to Waterford specifically that's the place the daughter (my Cuz) recalls being mentioned and, as someone else here first suggested the origin ABMC's father stated at the Register office marriage in 1906 was "Widford" which could sound like Waterford. These girls were properly brought up riding with horses and show jumping, well spoken without any strong Irish accent. They had language skills and graces evident even now from the photographs.
There are other rumours which are too tenuous to work on... in my view... but since the 1911 confirms the origin in terms of country and that complies with the previous rumour (save the prison record) and since .ie is progressing with accessibility I hoped Chris, who is knowledgeable on Irish matters and has been very helpful in the past, might have some suggestions?
Colin
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YARWOOD in Warks/Ches/Staffs/Salop/Worcs but also in London - Northants, Lincs and adj counties.
PENTLAND in Warks/Worcs/Staffs, IRL: Arm & Down. NZ post 1884 and SCO pre 1800. ORKNEY earlier
COLLERIN aka COLLINS GALLAGHER and COX [RC] Highgate, Small Heath, Birmingham 1840-, IRL (?) earlier
FRYER/FRIAR Ulster SCO
BROOKES in WARKS/WORCS Moseley, RA
WRIGHT Northants
JENNER/LASCELLES ENG AUS
CHILD almost anywhere
MURLY/MURLEY Som & Dors NZ Brazil
READER & ROGERS Derby & Bucks, RODGERS Derby
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