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Topic: Re marriage of James Rennie and Mary Pickard (Read 2214 times)
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renard
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Can anyone help with this.
James Rennie and Mary Brown Pickard were my grt. grt .grt. grandparents. I have not been able to find marriage for James and Mary.
Mary was born 1826 in Longside
I have O.P.R. of the christening of their son William [my grt. grt.grand father] born 1849 in Longside
states Mary and James both of Longside as the parents but not whether they were married or not.
I have death certificate for Mary she died in Inverurie in 1884
certificate states widow of James Rennie informant Elizabeth
Rennie daughter.
I found Mary and William on 1851 census James not present
but gives her status as married and her surname as Rennie.
Now for the problem I have had contact with a descendant of
Mary's who thinks my information is wrong as he says Mary
married an Alexander Webster and they had a son also Alexander
born 1846
I have been unable to find marriage of Mary and Alexander
but did find christening of son states Mary and Alexander as parents but as previous not their marital state.
So was Mary a widow when she married James if so I would have
expected that to have been stated on her death certificate.
If she was a widow why was son Alexander not with her on 1851
census. Was Alexander illegitimate my contact seems sure that she was married to Alexander senior.
The only James Rennie in Longside of the correct age I have been able to find was married to a Jane Cumming so is this the same Rennie possibly not as Rennie common enough name in the north east.
Pickard not a common name in Scotland and Longside not that big an area seems very unlikely that there were two Mary Brown
Pickards born there in 1826.
Hope that someone can help with this puzzle.
Renard
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KirstyG
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Hi Renard
I think I've found it, surname spelling a little different that's all.
Extracted entry from IGI - just searched for all Pickard marriages.
JAMES RANNIE married MARY PICKARD 16 NOV 1848, Saint Fergus, Banff, Scotland
Kirsty
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renard
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Hi Kirsty,
Thanks very much that could well be it
still have the puzzle of Alexander Webster though and if she had been married to him or not.
Son Alexander could have been illegitimate but my contact seems sure that she was married to Webster.
But maybe he has got it wrong.
Thanks once again.
Jim
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KirstyG
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Looking at the 1841 and 1851 census records on Freecen there seem to be 2 Pickard families in Longside, possibly the offspring of 2 brothers? Both William and James show as being born in England, everyone else is from Aberdeenshire.
Is it possible that the Mary Pickard who married Alexander Webster was a cousin of the one who marrried James Rennie? There is another Mary Pickard showing on the 1851 census aged 28, so there was definitely more than one born in Aberdeenshire in the mid 1820s.
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Walcha72
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Hi Jim and Kirsty,
Intrigue got the better of me after looking at records on familysearch and censuses on ancestry, so I downloaded the baptism of Alexander Webster off Scotland's People.
It clearly states N. S of ... Other entries on the page had S of or D of (or ND of). Others will probably know better than I, but I believe this means Natural son of... ie, the child was illegitimate.
Jim, if you PM me your email address I will send you the full copy of this record.
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DICKSON, COWAN, ARMSTRONG, MARTIN - Roxburghshire
MITCHELL, MCCORMICK, CAMERON, CLEGG - Argyllshire
HOY - Essex, Australia
GRUNDY - Berkshire, Australia
ROPER - Hampshire, Australia
GILLIES - Aberdeenshire, Australia
BANKHEAD - Ireland?, Australia
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Walcha72
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I dashed out to lunch as soon as I had posted the baptism and realised that in itself probably didn't advance us too much.
On familysearch there are a number of children born to William Pickard and Elizabeth Brown (all christened in Longside, Aberdeenshire). I won't list them all here, but just the relevant ones to this discussion.
Mary Brown - 1826
Catherine Imray - 1837
Joseph Cumming - 1841
Alexander Low - 1843
George - 1846
Nathaniel - 1849
In the 1851 census we have:
William (45) Head
Elizabeth (45) Wife
Catherine (14) Daur
Joseph (9) Son
Alexander (7) Son
George (4) Son
Nathaniel (2) Son
Alexander Webster (4) Daur's Son
This suggests to me that Mary Brown Pickard is the mother of Alexander Webster and then married James Rennie.
Debbie
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DICKSON, COWAN, ARMSTRONG, MARTIN - Roxburghshire
MITCHELL, MCCORMICK, CAMERON, CLEGG - Argyllshire
HOY - Essex, Australia
GRUNDY - Berkshire, Australia
ROPER - Hampshire, Australia
GILLIES - Aberdeenshire, Australia
BANKHEAD - Ireland?, Australia
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renard
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Hi Kirsty & Debbie,
Thanks so much for that, between you I am sure that you have cracked it.
I suspected that Alexander may have been illegitimate.
I think the N.S. proves that.
Alexander seems to have been brought up by Mary's parents
which explains why I did not find him with Mary on the 1851 census.
It was very common at that time for illegitimate children to be brought up by grandparents.
Once again thank you both so much.
Jim
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KirstyG
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Glad you solved it 
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Piglet01
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Hello,
In my experience of OPRs, 'natural' son/daughter = parents not married whilst 'lawful' son/daughter means parents married. This however doesn't prevent parents marrying later. I've a couple in my family who married 5 years after their first child was born. Probably had something to do with she being a farmers daughter and he a labourer. Once his circumstances improved they married and had further children.
Regards, Steve :O)
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McDonald originating in Aberlour. Smith (Aberdeenshire/Aberdeen), Esslemont, Christie, Robbie; Scott (in Aberdour). Crosbie and Willison. Borders: Lawrie, Thomson, Paxton, Peacock, Amos, Robson, Turner, Bertram, Watson
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flst
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I have a library book out at the moment - "the Registers of St.John's Episcopal Chapel,Longside 1727 -1889". The Pickard/Pickhard baptisms are in there. Another son,David Watt Pickard was baptised 14 Nov 1852.There are gaps in the marriage records.Blank are,1744 - 1812,1831 - 1851. The only other reference to Pickards is the baptism of James,illegitimate son of James, & Jane Stephen,baptised in 1854 (between 18th July & 22 October).William Pickard was the sponsor. The Pickards were in the village of Longside to start with but by 1852 were at Cairngall,a farm nearby.
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TAYLOR, COBBAN, SCOTT, PATERSON, BARCLAY, DUNCAN, SKENE, SIM, WOOD, STEPHEN, ROSE, CUMINE, MORISON, GERRARD, PYPER, ANDERSON, FARQUHAR, BURNET, THOMSON, DAVIDSON, BIRNIE, STRACHAN, DEY, GERRIE, ROBERTSON, FINNIE, WYLLIE,STEPHEN,WILLOX,MICHIE,MARR,BRUCE, CLUBB,SLESSOR,CLARK, SIMPSON,HEPBURN,SINCLAIR,BEEDIE,FOWLIE, CLYNE,FINDLATER,JOHNSTON,BROCKIE,PARK, WATT,MACKIE,WALKER,YEATS,THIRD, BURD,EWAN,ARTHUR,AUCKLAND, MURDOCH,LOW,IRVINE,CHALMERS,BOYES, LYON,SMITH,ADIE,WATSON - ALL N.E.SCOTLAND.
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flst
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Just spotted this double marriage in the book. It'll save you searching for them!
Catherine Pickard married Joseph Cadger & Joseph Pickard married Helen Corbet,New Deer, on 24th November 1866. The wedding took place in St.John's Chapel,Longside.
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TAYLOR, COBBAN, SCOTT, PATERSON, BARCLAY, DUNCAN, SKENE, SIM, WOOD, STEPHEN, ROSE, CUMINE, MORISON, GERRARD, PYPER, ANDERSON, FARQUHAR, BURNET, THOMSON, DAVIDSON, BIRNIE, STRACHAN, DEY, GERRIE, ROBERTSON, FINNIE, WYLLIE,STEPHEN,WILLOX,MICHIE,MARR,BRUCE, CLUBB,SLESSOR,CLARK, SIMPSON,HEPBURN,SINCLAIR,BEEDIE,FOWLIE, CLYNE,FINDLATER,JOHNSTON,BROCKIE,PARK, WATT,MACKIE,WALKER,YEATS,THIRD, BURD,EWAN,ARTHUR,AUCKLAND, MURDOCH,LOW,IRVINE,CHALMERS,BOYES, LYON,SMITH,ADIE,WATSON - ALL N.E.SCOTLAND.
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flst
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Just in case you do n't know,the Aberdeen & North East Family History Society's got the inscription of a headstone in Longside for the Pickards.
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TAYLOR, COBBAN, SCOTT, PATERSON, BARCLAY, DUNCAN, SKENE, SIM, WOOD, STEPHEN, ROSE, CUMINE, MORISON, GERRARD, PYPER, ANDERSON, FARQUHAR, BURNET, THOMSON, DAVIDSON, BIRNIE, STRACHAN, DEY, GERRIE, ROBERTSON, FINNIE, WYLLIE,STEPHEN,WILLOX,MICHIE,MARR,BRUCE, CLUBB,SLESSOR,CLARK, SIMPSON,HEPBURN,SINCLAIR,BEEDIE,FOWLIE, CLYNE,FINDLATER,JOHNSTON,BROCKIE,PARK, WATT,MACKIE,WALKER,YEATS,THIRD, BURD,EWAN,ARTHUR,AUCKLAND, MURDOCH,LOW,IRVINE,CHALMERS,BOYES, LYON,SMITH,ADIE,WATSON - ALL N.E.SCOTLAND.
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renard
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Thanks to you all for the information
Jim
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anne50
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Hi All,
I was amazed to see the surname Pickard being looked into. My maiden name is Pickard, and Joseph Cumming Pickard was my Gt Gt Grandad. The family resided in Longside but moved around to other farms. It was Joseph and his sister Catherine who had the double wedding in Longside (which is only 7 miles) from where i live. I have quite a lot of certificates for the family, so if i can be of any help please ask.
Anne Coutts nee Pickard
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renard
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Hi Ann,
That's fantastic I am particularly interested in
James Rennie who married Mary Pickard and there children my
line is from their son William.
I have had contact from a Charles Pickard in Australia who
emigrated from Inverurie in 1970.
Also a Hazel Coutts from Forfar I think who has Pickard's in her
tree
Regards
Jim
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