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Topic: Re marriage of James Rennie and Mary Pickard (Read 2217 times)
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renard
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Hi Mee too,
I have got no further with the Pickards or the Rennie's
Found Mary and son William in 1851 census living at King Edward[between Turrif and Banff]
have been unable to find family again until Mary's death in 1884
in Inverurie by this time she was a widow only 58 when she died
so either James died young or he was some what older than Mary
Son William married in Auchterless and lived his whole life there
Auchterless not so very far from King Edward so possibly family lived in that area for time.
Also found a James Pickard in Peterhead also from Leicestershire
must be a brother of William.
Jim
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renard
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The mystery deepens, I have had contact on G.R. from a descendant of Alexander Websters, she tells me that in addition to
William and Elizabeth Mary had another daughter born 1868
in Lethenty Millbrex Mary-Ann Rennie this child was not James Rennie's.
Now the question is Mary's death certificate 1884 states widow of James Rennie so logically one would assume that James died some time before 1868.
My contact hired a professional researcher and they could find no death for James nor could they find him on any census
Eldest son William married and lived his whole life in Auchterless
not so very far from Lethenty so looks like family lived in the area for some time.
I can understand James not appearring on census if working away from home, but not to appear with family on any census seems strange.
So was Mary really a widow or did James abandon his family
Would appreciate anyones thoughts on this.
Jim
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flst
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Hi Renard, there is a James Rennie,married,aged 37,working as a farm servant in Crookedneuk,Longside as a farm servant,in 1851.His place of birth was Old Pitsligo.
I have found Mary in 1871 census,in Lethenty Parochial Lodging House.Her name was transcribed as Pichard.She is a pauper,as are her daughters,Elizabeth Rennie,19,born Fyvie, & Mary Ann Davie 3,also born in Fyvie.There may be records of them applying for poor relief in the parish of Fyvie or in the case of Mary,in the parish of Longside.These records are kept in Aberdeen.
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TAYLOR, COBBAN, SCOTT, PATERSON, BARCLAY, DUNCAN, SKENE, SIM, WOOD, STEPHEN, ROSE, CUMINE, MORISON, GERRARD, PYPER, ANDERSON, FARQUHAR, BURNET, THOMSON, DAVIDSON, BIRNIE, STRACHAN, DEY, GERRIE, ROBERTSON, FINNIE, WYLLIE,STEPHEN,WILLOX,MICHIE,MARR,BRUCE, CLUBB,SLESSOR,CLARK, SIMPSON,HEPBURN,SINCLAIR,BEEDIE,FOWLIE, CLYNE,FINDLATER,JOHNSTON,BROCKIE,PARK, WATT,MACKIE,WALKER,YEATS,THIRD, BURD,EWAN,ARTHUR,AUCKLAND, MURDOCH,LOW,IRVINE,CHALMERS,BOYES, LYON,SMITH,ADIE,WATSON - ALL N.E.SCOTLAND.
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flst
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The same James Rennie appears in the 1861 census in Rathen.He's a cattleman at Easterton,Memsie,still married & aged 48. Do n't know if he's your ancestor or not but he's certainly working away from home!
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TAYLOR, COBBAN, SCOTT, PATERSON, BARCLAY, DUNCAN, SKENE, SIM, WOOD, STEPHEN, ROSE, CUMINE, MORISON, GERRARD, PYPER, ANDERSON, FARQUHAR, BURNET, THOMSON, DAVIDSON, BIRNIE, STRACHAN, DEY, GERRIE, ROBERTSON, FINNIE, WYLLIE,STEPHEN,WILLOX,MICHIE,MARR,BRUCE, CLUBB,SLESSOR,CLARK, SIMPSON,HEPBURN,SINCLAIR,BEEDIE,FOWLIE, CLYNE,FINDLATER,JOHNSTON,BROCKIE,PARK, WATT,MACKIE,WALKER,YEATS,THIRD, BURD,EWAN,ARTHUR,AUCKLAND, MURDOCH,LOW,IRVINE,CHALMERS,BOYES, LYON,SMITH,ADIE,WATSON - ALL N.E.SCOTLAND.
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renard
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Thanks flst,
That may well be him, I thought Mary ann was born
at Lethenty but there you are.
I found Mary and son William on the 1851 census at King Edward
James was not present I believe King Edward was a village that no longer exists would it have been in Banffshire do you know?
Once again thanks for the info.
Jim
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KirstyG
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King Edward parish belonged at various times to Aberdeen and to Banff.
http://www.abdnet.co.uk/genuki/BAN/Kingedward/index.html
Kirsty
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Galloway, Landers, Lindsay, Gillespie, Irvine
Erskine, McAdam, Hawthorn
Robertson, Duncan, Edmonstone, Black
Anderson, Nicholson, Crombie, MacDonald
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KirstyG
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The address for Mary and William in the 1851 census on Freecen is Easter Walkerhill. These days it is a farm with this postcode: AB53 5SX.
http://www.aberdeenshire.gov.uk/local/map.asp?type=cag_address&id=151121969&base=OS%20Basemap&overlays=
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Galloway, Landers, Lindsay, Gillespie, Irvine
Erskine, McAdam, Hawthorn
Robertson, Duncan, Edmonstone, Black
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renard
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Thanks for the information Kirsty.
Jim
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renard
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Sorry you have the wrong James Rennie, mine married a Mary
Pickard, Mary and James had two children, William born1849 and Elizabeth born 1851, no Helen, Mary had another child Mary
Ann Rennie born 1868 , James was not the father of this child as I believe he was dead by this time.
Mary also had a child Alexander Webster born 1846 before she married James. James and Mary were married in 1848.
Mary died 1884.
I have been unable to find James's death have looked, Scotlands people, Scots origins, family search, etc. but can't find a James Rennie who was married to a Mary Pickard
Mary's death certificate states widow of James Rennie
I presume that James died between 1850 and 1867 but as I say have be unable to find his death.
Sorry I cant help any more but Rennie was a very common name in the North East of Scotland.
Regards
Jim
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kirkmichael
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I'm late out on this thread but just wanted to comment that the normal form for a legitimate birth in the OPRs uses the wording ... "....son/daughter of John Smith and his spouse Mary Brown"
In the absence of other obvious words, the omission of the words his spouse are most often very significant.
Orraverybest
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anne50
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Hi Folks,
This is a wee bit off topic, but i wondered if any of you could explain this to me. I visited Longside cemetry the other week to see William and Elizabeth Pickards grave. I found it, and on the headstone, there was a George Walker as first named. Underneath his inscription was that the stone was re-erected by Robert Pickard in memory of his parents (William and Elizabeth). Why would George Walker (whoever he is) be on the same gravestone?. This is baffeling me.
Anne
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KirstyG
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Could George Walker have been a grandparent/cousin/distant relation? If there was a date on the first inscription perhaps we could work out if he fits into their tree somewhere?
Kirsty
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Galloway, Landers, Lindsay, Gillespie, Irvine
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anne50
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Hi Kirsty,
I would need to go back and read the inscription as it it did'nt come out in the photo that i had taken. I have never heard of the name Walker in my family tree, but anything is possible. I checked LDS for the name and there was a few Walkers in the area, but i could'nt see a connection, but there must be some connection there.
Thanks for your reply and i will get the inscription soon
Anne
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