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Topic: Eleanora Louise Bedford (Read 975 times)
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Carole
George and Eleanora's marriage cert might be a good place to start in finding out more about Eleanora: Marriages 1st Qrt 1878 in Sculcoates Vol 9d/ Pg. 210
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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I have tried finding her for you in the Scottish records (births and censuses) but no joy unfortunately  Bedford is not a Scottish surname and as such not many entries but nothing seems to be showing for her as yet. It may be that she was born before the start of official registration in Scotland in 1855 and her family left after her birth for England?
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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ibi
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Hi Carole
Agreed that there is no record on ScotlandsPeople for an Eleanora Louise BEDFORD, but there's an intriguing series of 3 OPR births in Largs, -
16/10/1844 BEDFORD Edith Blamire Largs (Ayr) /AYR 602/ 0030 0165
14/07/1846 BEDFORD Constance Eliza Largs (Ayr) /AYR 602/ 0030 0165
18/11/1847 BEDFORD Edward Gordon B Largs (Ayr) /AYR 602/ 0030 0174
All to parents Edward James BEDFORD and Eliza Anne SWAINSON
Fascinating, I'd suggest, because of the non-Scottish format of these three names, matching in that sense your Eleanora Louise BEDFORD, never mind the same comments re the parents.
In the 1841 census, there's a 20 year old Elisa A N BEDFORD in Inverkip which is just up the road from Largs. Could be pure coincidence as there's no sign of an Edward, but I'd put money on there being a link with the three births.
In 1851 there's a similar record that I couldn't resist a look at, even although it's in Lochgilphead, and things start to get really interesting, -
Edward J BEDFORD 40, Commander Royal Navy, 40 b Greenwich
Eliza A 32 b. Liverpool
Fanny M 10 b. Ayr
Edith B 6 b. Largs
Constance E 4 b Largs
Edwd G B 3 b. Largs
Harriet M Ward, 21, Governess b. Norfolk Castlemead
& 3 servants, all b. Scotland
This explains immediately why Edward is not at home in 1841.
Fascinating also now on the basis of the very small numbers of folk by the name of BEDFORD in the 1841 & 1851 censuses in Scotland.
So no doubt that these records fit together, giving the possibility that Edward was then posted away from Scotland, but with wee Eleanora Louise born somewhere in Scotland before the date of the posting and before 1855 ?
Sadly, - Nope!, as the family, with 42 year old Eliza as Head of Hosusehold is in Kilmore & Klibride in 1861, - presumably husband Edward was again at sea, - and, yes, there was a birth between 1851 and 1861, but only of 8 year old Arthur, b. Lochgilphead !!...... so bye-bye my theory that this family connects to Eleanora Louise !  , unless of course a young Eleanora Louise was down in England for whatever reason with relatives ??, - I'm struggling to make a connection as everything else seemed to be fitting together so neatly ............
Unless, of course, via Eleanora's marriage record, it turns out that her father was a RN officer by the name of Edward James BEDFORD !
BTW, no trace of the family in 1871 in Scotland, so this family is now not in Scotland, but could easily be traced by looking at the annual Navy List records for Edward James' postings.
But I'm still utterly intrigued by the format similarity of these names !, along with the very small number of folk in Scotland by the surname of BEDFORD .........
ibi
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Gadget
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Hi ibi, Carole and Monica
I've been looking at that family as well and wondering about them. The naming seems so similar. There doesn't seem to be another match at all.
One other thought - and it sometimes happened - given the query over her age (b. 1854 or 1844), could the Edith Blamire have become Eleanora
Gadget
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ibi
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Gosh, I'm overwhelmed!!  Thanks so much Ibi and Gadget. I will have to study this info but I think it will pay me to send for the marriage cert also. This is only one of the distant side branches on my tree but it is getting to be very interesting. Regards Carole
Hi Carole
Info from that marriage record awaited with the greatest of interest !
Orraverybest
ibi
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Gadget
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Frances married in Kilmore and Kilbride, Argyll in 1861 and her sister Constance married there in 1865. No sign of Edith marrying there.
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Gadget
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Marriage cert will give you her father's name and occupation - and we can then go from there.
It ain't easy is it
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Gadget
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Might be relevant or not but I had a look at one of the baptism entries that ibi mentioned. Edith and Constance were on the same page of the Largs OPR baptisms. They were both baptised by ''the perpetual curate' of Scremerston, Northumberland. Scremerston is about 3 miles south of Berwick on Tweed.
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ibi
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Hi Carole
Evangelina, - now there's a name to die for ! <groan>
An advantage of the Scottish records is that, with the exception of some records in the late 1850s, and the very early 1860s, a Scottish birth record shows the place and date of the marriage of the parents.
In the case of Evangelina, this is 1838, Mar 27th, Liverpool.
But no trace whatsoever that I can see of Evangelina in the 1871 census for Scotland, using wildcards as well, nor in the 1871 census in England.
I'd be very tempted to put a tenner on Edward having been posted abroad, with the family following him to that foreign station, but that means that we can't have a look at the other kids. The annual Navy List records would assist the situation in terms of where the Admiralty sent him.
In 1881 there's a census record in Paignton for Edward, Rear Admiral (Retired), aged 74, along with Eliza, 62, and Evangelina, 17, but no other kids.
By 1891 Edward has popped his clogs, leaving Eliza, 72, still in Paignton, along with Evangelina, 27, but again, no other kids; all of whom have presumably 'flown the coop', so to write.
In both these cases all the other census info matches.
ibi
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