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lizdb
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Hi
After 25 years or so (!) exhausting my Edmonds tree, I have branched out with my maternal Grandmother's line - the Greens. Having traced them thorugh censuses etc I find I am taken to a group of Suffolk villages - Blakenham, Somersham, Barking etc. New ground for me!
At some point I will take a trip to the records Office and start on the Parish registers, but that will not be yet.
In the meantine I looked on the IGI and found possible christenings for Great grandad William (born Somersham)and his sister Emma (bn Little Blakenham) - but it says they are at "Suffolk County Bts" rather than a normal Parish name
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Can anyone enlighten me as to what this means?
Secondly - any basic local tips would be welcome - like Where is the Record Office, when are they open etc!
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Necromancer
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Hi Liz - BTS - 'Bishops Transcripts' .... I've seen a couple on the IGI, dont know if you can drill down a bit and see which Parishes are included ?
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Rick
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Hi Liz
Bishops Transcripts were ordered to be kept from 1598 when the clergy were required, within a month of Easter, to send transcripts of the registers for the previous year to the bishop of their diocese. After 1837, when civil registration started, many clergy ceased to send copies, although some did continue for quite some time.
Bishops' Transcripts (BTs) are useful in that they provide a second record and may have survived when the parish register has not. Details of baptisms, marriages and burials were also sometimes recorded on loose sheets prior to copying into the registers, and it is possible that some BTs may include entries not listed in the parish registers.
There are 3 branches of the SRO - Ipswich, Bury St Edmonds and Lowestoft. Details here.
http://www.suffolk.gov.uk/LeisureAndCulture/LocalHistoryAndHeritage/SuffolkRecordOffice/
For a list of their parish registers holdings. (pdf document.)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/03cr/
Rick
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Annette7
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I looked at some Bishops Transcripts many many years ago. They were on film and extremely user unfriendly. Took absolutely ages to try and find anything and flit from one parish to another. Never looked again!
You will need to visit Ipswich Record Office at Gatacre Road, Ipswich IP1 2LQ - they are open 9-5 Monday to Saturday - tel. no. 01473 584541 (Searchroom) for booking machines.
Good Luck.
Annette
Just seen Rick's reply but will post this anyway
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suffolkmawther
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'Jumper' & Eliza Fulker
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Hello Lizdb
The three parishes you mention are all within the county lines for the Suffolk Record Office Ipswich (I have a map of the parishes with the three SROs boundary lines drawn in, so that I know where to send the Local History Recorders Annual Reports - which are arriving daily at the office in Ipswich).
I copy below a message I sent earlier to someone visiting for the first time, I hope it helps. I use both Ipswich and Bury ROs so if there is anything else - just holler 
Pat ...
I use both Bury St Edmunds and Ipswich ROs. The other branch is within the Public Library at Lowestoft, but is proper branch of the RO (unlike the local studies centre within the Public Library at Sudbury).
Bury St Edmunds free car park is right across the road from the Office and
the free car park at Ipswich is on site.
I telephone ahead to book film reader or fiche reader - or both. You book
for a session from 9-1 and then from 1-5.30 - I usually arrive later than 9
and let them know that so that if it is busy, the machine can be used until
10h30. You can book for either session - or all day.
As usual, it's pencils and paper only, laptops can be used, let them know ahead of visit and they may well put you near to a power source. There are lockers should you need one.
Census and Parish Records are all easily accessible at all three branches,
there are folders to tell you parish by parish what is available on
fiche/film and reference numbers corresponding to the one you need.
The staff are all experienced, knowledgeable and very helpful - just let
them know it's your first visit and what you would like to see, and they
will guide you
If you wish to check through items such as Tithe Maps/Apportionment books,
school records and log books etc etc you must arrange for these to be found. You can
either order them as soon as you arrive, and check through fiche of PRs
whilst waiting. Or if those records are the main reason for your visit,
order them in advance.
Don't forget if the village you are researching is in the west, then more
specialised records such as School Log books etc will be at Bury and if you
are researching in the east of the county, these will be held at Ipswich RO.
There are loos and coffee/tea machines at both centres, but I would advise
taking a snack or packed lunch with you - you will munch with other
researchers and get chatting in no time at all.
If you do want a break and a coffee at Bury you can stroll through St Mary's
churchyard, just round the corner to the left of the building as you come
out of the main door. As you walk, you will see the Cathedral (St James)
with the new wonderful Millennium Tower.
Through the grounds of the cathedral is a Refectory for snack meals and drinks.
Just remembered - the car park at Bury is open to the general public on
Saturday and it's one pound to park all day!
PS - if you wish to visit Blakenham, I would advise to go as soon as you can. Snoasis will be built there, it will be the largest indoor winter sports complex in Europe.
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Every time I find an ancestor, I have to find two more !
SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally from Framlingham/Parham Suffolk)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert and Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith/Barnes LND - Fulker
LONDON/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale
Gt-Grandfather Michael Wilson was born in Cork, lived in Fulham London - arrived Boston USA 1889 alone - what happened next?
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suffolkmawther
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'Jumper' & Eliza Fulker
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Oh dear 
I have just seen the title of this thread, I was always led to believe that an 'ex' is something in the past, a has been. A spurt is a small leak of water under pressure ! ! !
Mmmmmmm 
Pat ...
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Every time I find an ancestor, I have to find two more !
SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally from Framlingham/Parham Suffolk)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert and Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith/Barnes LND - Fulker
LONDON/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale
Gt-Grandfather Michael Wilson was born in Cork, lived in Fulham London - arrived Boston USA 1889 alone - what happened next?
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lizdb
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Thank you all VERY MUCH for your great help - I knew I could rely on Rootschatters to give me some useful info.
Silly of me to not have twigged about "Suffolk County BTS" on IGI simply being Bishops transcripts!! Just never seen it on IGI before. Thought it must be something particular to Suffolk!!!
"experts" was supposed to be a positive term!
Thanks to all.
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Necromancer
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well Liz, you do know that an expert is one who knows more and more about less and less 
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suffolkmawther
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'Jumper' & Eliza Fulker
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Sorry Lizdb,
But we Suffolk folk are modest, didn't like to be seen as 'blowing our own trumpets'.
Truly though, if you wish to visit and need any help, just holler, always happy to help.
Pat ...
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Every time I find an ancestor, I have to find two more !
SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally from Framlingham/Parham Suffolk)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert and Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith/Barnes LND - Fulker
LONDON/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale
Gt-Grandfather Michael Wilson was born in Cork, lived in Fulham London - arrived Boston USA 1889 alone - what happened next?
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suffolkmawther
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'Jumper' & Eliza Fulker
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Liz, to keep up to date on what is happening go to
http://www.snoasis.co.uk/snoasis/?q=latest_news
It's been a huge battle for the last few years, people in Suffolk firmly in one camp or the other, there seems to be no middle ground.
It will be built just outside of Great Blakenham.
There are pictures on this one
http://www.bbc.co.uk/suffolk/dont_miss/snoasis/snoasis.shtml
These images show what it is planned to look like, interesting ideas.
Yes, there will be a massive indoor ski slope that will be seen for miles around, rather strange looking stucture, with lots of other winter sports facilities - mostly indoors. There is talk of an extension to the railway tracks from Ipswich out to the 'resort' too.
You should be OK this year, but could be your last chance to see the area before it changes forever 
Pat ...
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Every time I find an ancestor, I have to find two more !
SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally from Framlingham/Parham Suffolk)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert and Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith/Barnes LND - Fulker
LONDON/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale
Gt-Grandfather Michael Wilson was born in Cork, lived in Fulham London - arrived Boston USA 1889 alone - what happened next?
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coombs
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Thomas Roberts & Mary Ann Walder 1864 Marriage
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Hi
I have had a lot of experince with Suffolk research as many of mine came from there. They were millers. On occasions where the original parish register has been destroyed or lot, or a few pages missing then the BTs have come in very handy.
Ben
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Researching:
LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET/SOMERSET Coombs, pre 1780s.
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Palding
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham.
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe.
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster.
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk 1700s.
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift.
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain.
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