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brina
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I am trying to trace the Whellans family who I have traced back to Morebattle. I know that Andrew Douglas Whellans (1836-1901) who married Agnes Fox is definitely correct. He died in Perth. I think his father was also Andrew Douglas Whellans (1806-1881) who married Jane Patterson (1802-1866) then Jessie Wedderburn. His father was William Whellans a Carrier and mother Janet Laidlaw (I do not have dates for them yet).I am keen to confirm that I am on the correct track here as Andrew appeared to move about a bit and his occupation appeared to change from Day Labourer to Grocer, House Proprietor to Lodging House Keeper at his death in Edinburgh.
Any help, advice or assistance gratefully received.
P.S. The other thing is that they are sometimes recorded as Whelans (only 1 l in the name) and I cannot find them in 1951 census results and in 1961 only the younger Andrew's aged 24 and 1.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Brina
Welcome to RootsChat 
Looks like you have researched the line up well! I would imagine, given that you are showing death dates that you have viewed the certs. and with the information contained there regarding parents' names worked your way back.
The 1841 census has:
William Whelans 81, carrier
Janet Whelans 60
John Whelans 35, teacher
Janet Whelans 5
Andrew Whelans 35, day labourer
Jane Whelans 39
William Wheelans 11
Wilson Whelans 6
Andrew Whelans 4
Jane Whelans 3
Address: Morebattle
You also have Andrew snr. showing as a child of William and Janet in the OPRs in 1806 in Morebattle.
Following their 1828 marriage in Ancrum, Andrew Jnr shows as born in 1836 in the OPRs (twin John born on the same day?).
This looks to be the family in 1851, which I think you were missing:
Andrew Wheelans 44, Grocer & Spirit Merchant
Jane Wheelans 50, b. Hawick, Rox
John Wheelans 14
Andrew Wheelans 14
Jane Wheelans 12
Mary Wood 16, servant
Address: Morebattle
For 1861, Andrew Snr and wife:
Andrew Whelens 54, Grocer & Draper, b. Morebattle
Jane P Whelens 60, b. Hawick, Roxburghshire
Address: Morebattle
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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Just in case you haven't seen them. There are two Will & Testament entries for Andrew Snr. showing on Scotlands People:
Andrew Whellans, 16/05/1882 - or Andrew Douglas Whellans, 28 Candlemaker Row, Edinburgh, d. 13/12/1881 at Edinburgh, testate Will Edinburgh Sheriff Court Wills SC70/4/194 and a further entry ref. SC70/1/214
Monica
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brina
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Hi Monica,
Thank you so much for your kind response. I was aware that Whellans was often spelt Whelans with one "l" and I have tried different perambulations for different years but clearly I had not done so for Census 1851. Thank you so much for letting me know that they were classified as Wheelans then. Also I had not been able to find Andrew Whellans and Jane Patterson's marriage record but once again it was a different spelling.
Yes I did see the records of Andrew and John (twins) but did you see that they were registered many years after they were born? I wonder if this was due to them being baptised later than normal or that they just forgot to register them. I read recently that people could not hold certain occupations unless they were baptised so maybe this was the case.
I had noticed the will and inventory of Andrew Whellans, 28 Candlemaker Row, Edinburgh, but I have not yet paid to access it. I think I will definitely do so within the next couple of days though as this will be very interesting to read.
He was obviously an interesting character and moved around quite a bit, even in later life.
Having said all this I wonder where the Whellans family originally came from. My mother tells me that her father said that they came over the Border from England. I suspect that perhaps they hailed from Ireland and maybe one day I will find out. Any ideas will be gratefully received.
Monica, many thanks once again, I really do appreciate your help and am so glad that I have found this website.
Brina
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Brina
Not sure on your comment on the later registrations for Andrew and siblings - is this to do with their christenings?. The births that show on IGI at least seem in order:
1. WILSON WHELLANS Birth: 11 AUG 1834 Morebattle
2. JOHN WHELLANS Birth: 16 JUL 1836 Morebattle
3. ANDREW WHELLANS Birth: 16 JUL 1836 Morebattle
4. JEAN WHELLANS Birth: 19 MAY 1838 Morebattle
There is also a submitted entry on IGI for brother JOHN WHELANS marriage to a MARY GIBSON on 25 JUN 1860 Edinburgh.
I can't easily see a marriage for William and Janet (Laidlaw). Both show as being born in the Country in the 1841 census. In respect of the origins of the name, hard to say where the line originated from without more info - could have been North of England or Irish. You have been relatively lucky that your line were relatively consistent with the spelling of the surname I think the further back you go the more erratic the spelling may become...and there are many many variants on this surname!
Monica
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brina
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Hi Monica, 
I enjoyed reading the link you supplied. Yes I guess I have been lucky tracing the Whellans family back as far as I have with the names changing little so far. I think I am definitely on the correct track and that William Whellans is as far back as I can go in the meantime. You are correct in assuming that I have copies of death certificates etc. of most of the direct family that I have been trying to trace. I find it is so easy to go off at a tangent without definite evidence. Of course this all takes time but I think it is worthwhile in the long run and the information I have discovered along the way has been fascinating. So many coincidences have arisen that it can be a little disconcerting at times.
It is interesting that a number of the Andrew's have Douglas as a middle name and I am curious as to where this has hailed from. Hopefully I will be able to find out in due course.
I will be visiting the Heritage Hub in Hawick in the next few weeks too so hopefully will find out more information then. I will post anything I find out just in case anyone else is interested. If I discover anything interesting in the will of Andrew Whellans who died in Edinburgh I will also post that.
Once again - many thanks.
Brina
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Whillans
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Dear Brina & Monicalesl
Noted your chat on this topic via Google alerting.
I'm involved heavily in researching Whillans and its homonyms, including Whellans. You might have a glance at my website http://www.one-name.org/profiles/whillans.html to gauge where I'm at in this effort.
One of the lines I have researched is the Morebattle Whellans, W-W2 (my ref #) William Fillins/Whealins/Whelands/Whelans/Whillins c04dec1768 (Morebattle), wright in Jedburgh, feuar/carrier in Morebattle. This William's second marriage was to Jane/Janet Laidlaw, his first was to Allison/Alison Thomson.
You will note, I'm sure the spelling variations I've noted in the various literature, ie I've seen William's surname spelt five different ways, but funnily not as Whellans. His chn were, from one source, surnamed Whillans. I am becoming quite convinced that these names and others such as Wealleans (from Northumberland) are from one and the same source, coming from Argyllshire from where they were scattered primarily to Roxburghshire & Northumberland. That is the primary reason why I have commenced a Y-DNA study to (in)validate this hypothesis.
I have also hyp that William had a sister Margaret, a bro Samuel, and possibly another dau Janet; furthermore that their father, also a William, witnessed baptisms in Morebattle during Dec1768, Jun1771, and Jun1780.
Tracking forward, I can name over 120 descendants of this William.
Could we email more extensively off list?
Frank Whillans, Melbourne Australia.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Frank
I did come across one of your posts when I was doing general google searches....and then could I find it not later when I was trying to provide Brina with some links to the name origins 
This is great news for Brina
To email off the main forum, perhaps Brina could use the 'Private Message' (PMs) system to send you her email (not great to include emails on the main forum as you're at risk of spamming etc.). You need to have done at least 3 PMs to be able to send messages this way which is how many Brina has now done!
Brina, if you click on the small green scroll under Frank 'Whillans' name on the l/h side, it will take you straight through to the PM service.
Frank, you should get a message box on the screen to let you know that you have a PM (also an alert in your email account, although this does not always come through there). If you go to the very top of the page here, you will see in the centre: welcome back..., you have xx messages, x are new. Click on that to take you to the PM service, which operates very much like an email account.
Good luck both of you with your research
Monica
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brina
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Hi to Monica and Frank,
Thank you to both for your help and advice. I will try to PM you Frank with details I have discovered although it sounds to me as though you are much more advanced in your research than me.
Monica, Your help has been invaluable.
Brina
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Whillans
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Dear Brina
I have been looking at my records on your line of interest, and I do have quite extensive information for you, once you contact me directly. The only item I didn't have was that Andrew Whellans b1836 had a middle name of Douglas - I had not gleaned this from any of my sources. His father b1806 did however have Douglas as he was named Andrew Douglas Wh....
The 1841 data which Monica itemised earlier is correct:
William Whelans 81, carrier
Janet Whelans 60+, his second wife
John Whelans 35+, teacher, William's son
Janet Whelans 5, William's gdau & Andrew's niece
Andrew Whelans 35+, day labourer, William's son
Jane Whelans 39, Andrew's wife
William Wheelans 11, Andrew's son
Wilson Whelans 6, Andrew's son
Andrew Whelans 4, Andrew's son
Jane Whelans 3, Andrew's dau
I have placed a + on some ages, as the 1841 census usually listed the low end of five year brackets for adults, ie a 35yo and a 39yo would be listed as 35yo.
Frank Whillans, Melbourne Australia.
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brina
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Hi Frank,
I PM'd you the other day after adding to this topic. It would appear that it did not work. I will try again, obviously I must have been doing something wrong. Sorry about that.
Thank you for this information, I had already looked at the census details. The most interesting and helpful information you have supplied has been the different spellings and also the fact that William was married twice. That has helped me enormously.
Still trying to find out about the Douglas part, so far I can only get this back to 1806 for Andrew's middle name. I am supposing that it has come down his mother's line and am just about to download his birth details so there just might be something there.
I am about to try to PM you now, please place a message on this site if you do not get it this time and I will try to find out what I am doing wrong.
Many thanks and best wishes.
Brina
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brina
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Hi Frank,
It is Brina here again. I wonder if it is that you only have two posts that I cannot PM you. Maybe if you post on this topic again it will work. I am sure that Monica said that 3 posts were required before a PM was possible.
Brina
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brina
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Hi Frank,
Thought that I would just ask you if you know what happened to Wilson Whellans and William Whellans who moved to Australia. I do not have a definite date to give you but in their father's will (Andrew Douglas Whellans) of 1880 he mentions that they are both in Australia. I know no more. I have tried to find them on various Australian sites but cannot find any trace of them. I have tried the various spellings and no luck. He refers to them as his sons William and Wilson Whellans in his will.
William to receive one third of the proceeds of the sale of a property, his daughter Jane Whellans or Fox, currently living in America, to receive one third and the third for Wilson to be invested for him by the Trustees. Why Wilson's was to be invested and not all paid to him like the others I do not know.
Any help gratefully received.
Brina
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Whillans
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Brina
Yes I do have a lot on William Whellans who migrated to Australia (he arrived on 24oct1853 in Australia on the 'Goldfinder'), and I used to be in contact with one of his descendants. His family spelt their surname when they arrived as Wheelens.
I did not know Wilson migrated also - little clues such as this help in locating links in one's data, so I'll look again with this new perspective.
Frank.
PS: One of my email addresses is listed in my web-page, see earlier correspondence.
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