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Ethard of Holbeach
« on: Saturday 07 February 09 19:15 UTC (UK) »

Susannah Ethard of Holbeach married Edward Stanton of Heckington at Holbeach on 29 th May 1818. Any further (preferably earlier) information on the Ethard (Etherd) family.
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Re: Ethard of Holbeach
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 07 February 09 20:29 UTC (UK) »

You have suggested two different spellings.  Two transcriptions of the marriage register that I have seen use EATHERDS.

This is an extremely rare, not to say unlikely, surname.  My Lincs Marriage Index has but two - your Susannah and a Lucy, also in Holbeach in 1802 (the latter to Samuel LAIN).

Now looking at the IGI batch for Holbeach - C011133 - for "Susan" around 1800 I find a Susan EDWARDS bap in 1800, dau of "Lucey".  Seeing that the eldest daughter of Edward and Susannah STANTON was Lucy 1820 Heckington, I am suggesting that Susannah was really EDWARDS.

Looking a bit further, I see

1) the baptism of a Lucy EDWARDS in Holbeach in 1765
2) the burial of a Lucy LANE in *Heckington* 25 April 1822 aged 57.

These things all fit into place if you accept that
EATHERDS = EDWARDS
LAIN = LANE
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Re: Ethard of Holbeach
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 07 February 09 20:42 UTC (UK) »

Thanks very much. I think it will be well worth my while looking at the original registers next time I'm in Lincoln. Seems as though it was a transcription error, and we still get those especially in the 1911 census, coupled with a non standard spelling of Lane.
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Re: Ethard of Holbeach
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 08 February 09 01:14 UTC (UK) »

Redroger

Do you know who the parents of Edward Stanton were and when he was born?  I have Stantons in my tree who came from Heckington.

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Re: Ethard of Holbeach
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 08 February 09 11:48 UTC (UK) »

I think I have now found them on 1851 census - tricky to find because indexed THORNTON with wife Lucy - could be Susey/Suzey.

Age 67, born Heckington, so probably son Edward and Mary, bap 1784.
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Re: Ethard of Holbeach
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 08 February 09 12:53 UTC (UK) »

Geoff - Thanks for the further info.  Edward and Mary Stanton were my 5 x g.grandparents. Edward baptised 1784 was the brother of my 4 x g.grandfather.  I guess Redroger is more interested in Susannah Edwards.

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Re: Ethard of Holbeach
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 08 February 09 14:28 UTC (UK) »

Marriages
Priscilla Ethards mar Thomas Ashton 1768 Lincoln St Peter
William Ethards mar Mabel Bushfield 1789 Kirton Lindsey
Elizabeth Etherd mar William Gudger 30 Aug 1786 Swineshead
Ann Ethereds mar William Parker 18 Apr 1776 Bicker
Elizabeth Ethords mar John Handleby 28 Nov 1731 Ruckland
Lucy Etheards mar Samuel Lain 1802 Holbeach
Susanna Eatherds mar Edward Stanton 29 May 1818 Holbeach
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Re: Ethard of Holbeach
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 08 February 09 15:12 UTC (UK) »

Hi Lizzie,
Edward Stanton's parents were John Stanton and Elizabeth Northern, he was b Heckington, christened 14 May 1770 Heckington. Try Lincolnshire OPC Heckington, if you have not already done so, there are transcriptions of Heckington and various other parishes on the site.This Edward Stanton was one of my 2 great grandfathers.
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Re: Ethard of Holbeach
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 08 February 09 15:37 UTC (UK) »

Hmmm ... OK I missed some Embarrassed    Sorry Sad

I wonder if it was pronounced Et-herds or Eth-erds?

I've found an Ann HEAD who married in 1843, father's name given as Etherd HEAD ... but then I find a baptism 1821 Holbeach for Ann HEAD ... father called Edward ... then Betsy 1823 - father called Ethelred.  He seems to have married as Ethelred in 1820.  He was Etherd in 1841, Etheard in 1851.

I'm rambling again ...
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Re: Ethard of Holbeach
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 08 February 09 15:42 UTC (UK) »

Hi Lizzie,
Edward Stanton's parents were John Stanton and Elizabeth Northern, he was b Heckington, christened 14 May 1770 Heckington.

But he was 55 in 1841 and 67 in 1851, so why not the one bap in 1784? (son of Edward and Mary).  The 1770 guy would have been pushing 50 at marriage in 1818.

See FreeREG http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/Search.pl
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Re: Ethard of Holbeach
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 08 February 09 15:55 UTC (UK) »

Why not Geoff, however my family are notorious for late marriages; my father 40, Grandfather 67, and numerous others all in this line, and when the marriage is earlier the wife is usually older than her husband. Seems as though it might be genetic; perhaps someone knows a reason for this?
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Re: Ethard of Holbeach
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 08 February 09 16:03 UTC (UK) »

But what about the census ages?  Why are you so sure it's the 1770 ES?

It seems to me that your Ed and Sue had a son called Baxter STANTON in 1830.  This suggests to me that Edward may have been the son of Edward STANTON and Mary BAXTER who married at Heckington in 1765.  They had an earlier son Edward, born and died 1775.
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Re: Ethard of Holbeach
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 08 February 09 16:13 UTC (UK) »

Sorry about the ambiguity; I was referring to John Stanton, b1770 Heckington husband of Elizabeth Northern, they had 11 children of whom 10 appear to have survived beyond infancy.
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Re: Ethard of Holbeach
« Reply #13 on: Monday 09 February 09 00:22 UTC (UK) »

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Edward Stanton's parents were John Stanton and Elizabeth Northern, he was b Heckington, christened 14 May 1770 Heckington.

Redroger - John Stanton and Elizabeth Northern  were my 4 x g.grandparents and they did, indeed, have a son called Edward, but he wasn't born until 1801, baptised 3 April 1801.  It is, of course, possible that he is the one who married in 1818, especially as Geoff found, Susannah Edwards was baptised in 1800. 

To summarise the Stanton sons called Edward -  John and Anne Stanton (my 6 x g.grandparents) married 1733 and had, amongst other children, a son called  Edward (my 5 x g.grandfather) born 1739 died 1805.  He married Mary Baxter.  They actually had two sons called Edward, the first was born and died in 1775, the second one was born in 1784.  They also, amongst other children,  had a son called John who married Elizabeth Northern (my 4 x g.grandparents).  John and Elizabeth had a son called Edward who was born in 1801.

I've got loads of info regarding the Stantons, which has been confirmed with someone I've been in touch with who is descended from Baxter Stanton another of Edward Stanton and Mary Baxter's sons.  Both the person I've been corresponding with and I cannot find more than 9 children for John Stanton and Elizabeth Northern, that is Mary Ann b.1797, John b.1799, Edward b.1801, Baxter b.1803, Letitia b.1804, Lucy b. and d. 1808, Eliza b. and d.1809, Elizabeth b.1810 and an unknown child born 1812.  Who are the other 2 you have?  I wonder if you have mixed up some of the generations.

Geoff what do you think?  The name of the you have found for Edward and Susannah called Baxter, may be a red herring when trying to work out which Edward married Susannah  as Baxter seems to have become a family name following the marriage of Edward Stanton and Mary Baxter, as not only did John Stanton and Elizabeth Northern have a son called Baxter, so did their son John Stanton and his wife Frances Chapman Cawthorn (my 3 x g.grandparents)

Lizzie

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I've just found on the 1841 census, Edward Stanton aged 55 and Susannah Stanton aged 40, which would suggest that Geoff's suggestion that the Edward who married Susannah was the one baptised in 1784.  They have 3 children, Joseph aged 15, Henry and Jane aged 5.  I can't find the family after this.
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Re: Ethard of Holbeach
« Reply #14 on: Monday 09 February 09 01:01 UTC (UK) »

1851 census, found Henry aged 16 living in Middlesex with his brother Joseph, Joseph's wife and various children.  No trace of Edward, Susannah or Ruth.Jane I mean.

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I've found on the 1851 census, an Elizabeth Stanton living in Burton Coggles with daughter Jane, aged 18, and various other children, the youngest two who were born in Warwickshire.  There is a death on FreeBMD of an Edward Stanton in 1850 in Warwickshire.  Coincidence, if not I wonder why Susannah is calling herself Elizabeth.
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