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nessa
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Hi, I am trying to trace William Henry Guest born 1821 died 1911, for some reason he changed his name to Leppard round roundabout 1852. He has two sons Stephen and Richard Stephen born 1852, both registered as Guest and a daughter Mary Emma born 1851. He later disowned his sons. Why would he change his name? He married an Elizabeth Rollinson. I would really like to now where he comes from and why the name change?
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nessa
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Hi, Thank you for your reply, I have a letter from a solicitor from the 1980's tracing some family members who were in line to have money from the Guest family, in this letter they stated that William Henry changed his name from Leppard to Guest, but they gave no reason for this, I also have his daughters birth certificate she is Mary Emma Leppard and the father is William Henry Leppard mother Rosetta, his trade is miner/furnace man. About this time I think they were living in Himley Street, Dudley.
I don't have the census for them, would appreciate copies. What complicates this more for me, is this William Henry Guest is from my great grandmothers family, and I have aWilliam Henry Guest at the same time on my greatgrandfathers side of the family.all living in Netherton, Dudley.
Many thanks
Nessa
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Gardener
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Tis indeed complicated!
I was probably looking at the your family in 1861 and then switched to the other.
1861
Dudley
Adjoining st John street
William H Guest head m 27 coal master labourer,Dudley
Rossetta ditto wife m 30 Dudley
Richard ditto son 4 Dudley
Maria ditto dau 12m Dudley
1871
Dudley
St Andrews St
William H Guest, head m 37 labourer at iron works, Dudley
Elizabeth ditto wife ditto 22 Netherton Dudley
Stephen ditto son unm 18 labourer at iron works Netherton dudley
Richard ditto son unm 15 ditto ditto
Rosetta ditto dau 10 scholar ditto
Noah ditto son 4 ditto ditto
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Gardener
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Rosetta Guest death registered at Dudley 1869
I have the 1871 family in 1881, 1891 and 1901; living St Andrews St, Hall street, and Hall Street.
OK, still confused here.
Your firsts post said"William Henry Guest born 1821 died 1911, for some reason he changed his name to Leppard round roundabout 1852. "
Second post said " they stated that William Henry changed his name from Leppard to Guest, but they gave no reason for this, I also have his daughters birth certificate she is Mary Emma Leppard and the father is William Henry Leppard mother Rosetta,"
So he was a Leppord and then changed to Guest around 1852?
This might be him in 1851
Netherton
Stephen Rolendson? head m 63 miner Netherton
Elizabeth ditto wife m 63 ditto
William Lefsdad head m 20 labourer ditto (could say Lepard perhaps)
Rosetta ditto wife m 19 Dudley
William Round lodger u 16 miner Netherton
William H Leopard married Rosetta Rollinson All Saints, Sedgley in 1851 (March quarter)
The marriage certificate might help with his father's name.
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nessa
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Hi, Thank you for your help, my mistake on the name, as far as I know he was born William Henry Leppard then changed his name to Guest.
On reading the letter from the Genealogists he married Rosetta Rollinson on10.2.1851 as Leppard, later changing it. They attach no significance in thr name change!
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I do appreciate the help as I am new to family history and although I find it interesting I also find it overwhelming at times.
Many thanks
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Hi again, Just reading through your posts again, how did you find William Henry Guest who married Elizabeth Hollies, as I am wondering if he was the other William Henry Guest who I know on the census's said his wife was Elizabeth, but when I sent for a marriage certificate from the GRO they said he didn't marry for the dates I found.
He came from Halesowen born about 1811 died 1883 at Netherton Dudley, he and Elizabeth had a daughter Mary Emma born 1843 but wasn't baptised until in her teens.
It all gets very confusing
Nessa
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1851
Netherton
Stephen Rolendson? head m 63 miner Netherton
Elizabeth ditto wife m 63 ditto
William Lefsdad head m 20 labourer ditto (could say Lepard perhaps)
Rosetta ditto wife m 19 Dudley
William Round lodger u 16 miner Netherton
I think that is William (Henry) Lepard with his wife Rosetta, and her parents
1861
Dudley
Adjoining st John street
William H Guest head m 27 coal master labourer,Dudley
Rossetta ditto wife m 30 Dudley
Richard ditto son 4 Dudley
Maria ditto dau 12m Dudley
There is a death for Rosetta Guest, aged 39, Dudley district March qtr of 1869. Then the possible marriage for William Henry Guest to Elizabeth Hollies December qtr of 1870
1871
Dudley
St Andrews St
William H Guest, head m 37 labourer at iron works, Dudley
Elizabeth ditto wife ditto 22 Netherton Dudley
Stephen ditto son unm 18 labourer at iron works Netherton dudley
Richard ditto son unm 15 ditto ditto
Rosetta ditto dau 10 scholar ditto
Noah ditto son 4 ditto ditto
1881
William Guest 47 Contractor employing 8 boys
Elizabeth ditto 28?
Richard ditto 25
Noah ditto 16
William H ditto 4
1891
William H Guest 57 General contractor and hauler
Elizabeth ditto 41
William H ditto 14
Elizabeth ditto 5
Frank ditto 10m
1901
William H Guest 67 contractor Ironworks employer
Elizabeth ditto 50
William H wid 24
Elizabeth ditto 15
Frank ditto 10
Elizabeth pearsall gdau 19
Hannah Corfield sister m 46
Sarah ditto neice 16
Hannah Hollies married John Corfield in 1878 so I think that supports the marriage to Elizabeth Hollies.
If you compare the 1871 and 1861 census then Stephen seems to be missing from the family in 1861 where he should be about 8 years old. I think this might be him:
1861
Blowers Green
Henry Guest 57 Horse Keeper
Elizabeth Guest wife 48
Emma Guest dau 17
Henry Dovey nephew 17
Charlotte Brookes neice 16
Stephen Guest grandson 8
ElizabethGuest grand dau 3
(all born Netherton except Henry who was born Wolverhampton)
So, I think that the census from 1861-1901 are all for the same William Henry Guest, and if Stephen Guest is grandson to Henry and Elizabeth Guest at Blowers Green then presume that they are William Henry's parents.
That leaves the question is that the same William Henry and Rosetta in 1851 as Lepard, and if so why?
By the way, the IGI has a Mary Emma born 1843 but baptised Dudley 1851, parents Henry and Elizabeth Guest
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Gardener
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You also had this post:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,394613.msg2657472.html#msg2657472
In it Jim1212 posted
"WILLIAM HENRY GUEST.
Birth, 11 OCT 1833.
Christening, 08 NOV 1835. Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester.
MARY EMMA GUEST.
Birth, 19 FEB 1843.
Christening, 13 JUL 1851. Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester.
Parents:
HENRY GUEST.
ELIZABETH. "
I think that William Henry Guest born 1833 is the one in the census above and he was the brother of Mary Emma.
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