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gmggmg
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An ancestor of mine was a medical superintendent in the asylum in Killarney (now closed I believe) in the 19th century. I would be very grateful if anyone knows how I could get hold of asylum records from that time. I simply want to gather information.
Thanks in advance.
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annclare
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St Finan's Hospital Killarney is the main psychiatric hopital for Kerry and is on the site of the old asylum. You could write to the admistrator at the hospital or phone (international prefix-06431022) and they may be able to give you some pointers. There have been some books published on the history of the mental health services in Ireland and it might be useful to have a look at those. One is Joseph Robins 1986 "Fools and Mad - A history of the Insane in Ireland."
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gmggmg
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Thank you!
I'll give them a call, and I'll try to get hold of that book.
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shanew147
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what timeframe are you interested in ?
the following is the entry for the Asylum included in the Killarney section of Slaters Directory of 1894 :
COUNTY LUNATIC ASYLUM.
Resident Medical Superintendent - Laurence T. Griffin L.R.C.P.L.,
L.B.C.S.I
Assistant Medical Officer, Edward AV. Griffin M.D
Assisting Physician, George Hickson L.R.C.P.Edin
Apothecary, John J. Savell
Chaplains—Church of Ireland, Ven. Archdeacon George R. Wynne D.D.
Catholic, Rev. Daniel O'Keeffe
Matron, Emma Creagh
Clerk, Michael W. Mahony
I can have a look at earlier years if you wish..
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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gmggmg
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Probably earlier, maybe around 1860.
The name I'm looking for is Matthias Rickard. We believe he was medical superintendent at the asylum for a while, although he was not a medical doctor so he may have had another title. I am not very familiar with the various positions.
The only piece of information I discovered today is that the Killarney asylum was opened in 1852. We believe that Matthias Rickard was in (working in!) the Carlow asylum before Killarney. So it could be that he was in Carlow before 1852, and then got a job in Killarney when it opened, but that's just a guess.
By the way, you (Shane) kindly answered another query of mine about a baker named Matthias Rickard in Dublin. The Killarney Matthias Rickard is a son of the Dublin one.
Ultimately I would like to get church records of births, marriages and deaths for these ancestors, but first I have to track them down to know where to look.
Thank you very much for your reply, I really appreciate it.
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gmggmg
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I just checked the Slater's 1846 directory for Carlow at
http://www.failteromhat.com/slater.php
No Matthias Rickard in Carlow asylum.
I don't know of any other directories online, you must have hard copies. Thanks very much for checking them.
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gmggmg
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While googling for Matthias Rickard I found a post on another board from several years ago:
http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=151&p=surnames.rickard
The author of this post is Mike Cross, who I would dearly like to get in touch with because he says he has more information.
I'm assuming this is the same Matthias Rickard as mine, how many can there be?
Mike Cross, in case you are reading, please contact me!
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shanew147
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I wonder if this is the same person ?
Lunatic Asylum, Main St - Wexford
Governor—Matthew Rickard.
Matron—Ann Rickard.
from Slaters of 1846
my Latin is not very good - but I think Mattias means Matthew...
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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gmggmg
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Wow, great find! Thanks for that. I think it could easily be the same person. Family lore says he was in some position of management at the lunatic asylum in Carlow, and then Killarney. I haven't heard of Wexford in there, but it must be him. How many people named Rickard in a position of management in a lunatic asylum in the mid 19th century, with a name like Matthew/Matthias, can there be?
Looking at IGI, there is a Mathias Ricard (that exact spelling) married an Anne Nolan on 22 March 1843 in Carlow. The spelling is a little different, but I think this is the same person. The first name Ann/Anne fits with your find.
Are there any other directories for years after 1852, up to say 1870?
Thank you again for your help.
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shanew147
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I'll have a look later on - I've a bit of a gap at the moment between 1846 and 1870.
I am almost sure I saw an Ann Rickard on her own in 1870 - can't remember exactly where ... but it was somewhere between Wexford and Dublin... 
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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gmggmg
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Thanks. I am assuming the Ann Rickard was his wife, but of course that could be a wrong assumption.
Is the 1870 also Slaters?
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shanew147
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Slaters of 1870 - Linen Drapers &. Haberdashers
Anne Rickard, 4 Market st, Enniscorthy
I can't see any sign of Matthew...
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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gmggmg
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Thank you!
I take it there are no Rickards in the Killarney entry in 1870.
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shanew147
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no Rickard or similar in Killarney in 1870
Lunatic Asylum. Castle Island road—
Walter W- Murphy, M.D., visiting physician;
Martin Shine Lawlor, resident physician and superintendent,
and Owen C. M'Dermott, apothecary
the entries I see for the surname are
Mrs— Rickard , Whitestown, Rush (Miller)
Miss — Rickard , Cannon Rock, Howth House (Gentry Section)
William Rickards, Mill st, Ennis (Feather &. Skin Dealer - also Wool Merchant)
Thomas Rickard, Market sq, Lisburn (Haberdasher)
Patrick Rickard, Maghera (Lilnen &. Woollen Draper)
Catherine Rickard , dressmaker, 3 Summer Hill parade, Dublin
Wm. Rickard coach builder, 16 Great Denmark st, Dublin
Thomas Rickard - Junior Clerk, Dogs Registration Office, Dublin Metropolian Ploice District
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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shanew147
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found a Rickard entry in Killarney in 'Henry & Coughlan’s General Directory of Cork & Munster, 1867'
Christina Rickard, New street, Killarney (Milliner.)
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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