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Topic: ROBERTS - Born in America?? (Read 996 times)
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devonblue
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I have Fed and Rebecca ROBERTS on the 1861 Census with their 2 children Mary Ann and Sarah in Minchinhampton. They were Hawkers or Gipsies.
In 1881 they were in Symondsbury, Dorset with 11 other children, two of which Mark and Brittania were born in America. William was born in Devon in 1861, Mark in America in 1863, Brittania in America in 1865 then they were in Devon again by 1868 when Thomas was born. All the rest were born in England. Their daughter Sarah appears to be travelling with them married to a James Cooper.
Mark Roberts' son also Mark went on to marry Patience Manley in 1919 and Brittania I think married Powers Manley, Patience's Uncle, about 1889 when she was 23.
Can anyone tell me why they would have gone to America, and for such a short time?
I am finally sorting out all these lines but very unknowing about travellers as a whole.
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Midlands:Bayliss, Clemo, Eburn, Evans, Finney, Mayo, Morris, Rhead, Shutt, Upton, Waterhouse, Woodward, Wright, Woolley, Wyatt,
Devon: Gillard, Jenkins, Manfield, Morrish, Palk, Salter, Shire, Scorse, Summers, Wood,
Dorset: Fudge, Roberts,Trowbridge,
Montgomeryshire: Evans
Norfolk: Bond, Everard, Riches,
Somerset:Clothier, Hockey, Jenkins, Shire
Ireland:Mihill, Woodward, Zumach
Scotland:Lewis
Travellers:Cooper, Davies, Hughes, Manley, Orchard, Penfold, Roberts, Small, Wells/Wills
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devonblue
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I have Henry Manley married Matilda Wells on June 7th 1847 Bridport, their son Charles Manley married Sarah Hughes in Offwell onSept 16th 1891, the witnesses were Leonard Hughes and Patience Orchard.
(I actually posted about them before on another thread about the Manleys.)
Amazing how all these families were sort of inter-related. They are my partner's family really but quite fascinating!
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Midlands:Bayliss, Clemo, Eburn, Evans, Finney, Mayo, Morris, Rhead, Shutt, Upton, Waterhouse, Woodward, Wright, Woolley, Wyatt,
Devon: Gillard, Jenkins, Manfield, Morrish, Palk, Salter, Shire, Scorse, Summers, Wood,
Dorset: Fudge, Roberts,Trowbridge,
Montgomeryshire: Evans
Norfolk: Bond, Everard, Riches,
Somerset:Clothier, Hockey, Jenkins, Shire
Ireland:Mihill, Woodward, Zumach
Scotland:Lewis
Travellers:Cooper, Davies, Hughes, Manley, Orchard, Penfold, Roberts, Small, Wells/Wills
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devonblue
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I know that Matilda's father was a James Wells, a cutler according to the marriage cert. They lived in Bridport then although she appears to have been born in Exeter. The witnesses were levi Thomas and Henry Curme.
I have a possible Matilda Wells aged 20 on the 1841 census in Devonport, Plymouth along with what could be her mother Grace Wells aged 54. No sign of father however. They are listed as Paupers.
Sorry, I don't think the Axminster family is the right one in that case.
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Midlands:Bayliss, Clemo, Eburn, Evans, Finney, Mayo, Morris, Rhead, Shutt, Upton, Waterhouse, Woodward, Wright, Woolley, Wyatt,
Devon: Gillard, Jenkins, Manfield, Morrish, Palk, Salter, Shire, Scorse, Summers, Wood,
Dorset: Fudge, Roberts,Trowbridge,
Montgomeryshire: Evans
Norfolk: Bond, Everard, Riches,
Somerset:Clothier, Hockey, Jenkins, Shire
Ireland:Mihill, Woodward, Zumach
Scotland:Lewis
Travellers:Cooper, Davies, Hughes, Manley, Orchard, Penfold, Roberts, Small, Wells/Wills
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tiggi
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BETSEY SMITH/ WIFE OF NELSON BUCKLAND
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I found this family tracked them through census years :
1851 Census Fordington, Dorchester Dorset, 135 Mill Street
James Wells 35 b 1816 Broadwalke Wiltshire Razor/Grinder
Catherine 28 b 1823 Dublin, Ireland
James 15 b 1836 Yeovil, Somerset, Basket Maker
Fredrick 8 b 1843 Fordington, Dorset,
Alice 6 b 1845 Fordington, Dorset,
Sarah Ann 4 b 1847 Fordington, Dorset,
Edward 4mths b 1850 Fordington, Dorset,
+136 Mill street
Joseph Smith 48 b 1803 Southampton, Hampshire, Basket maker
Sarah 54 b 17 97 Teffont, Wiltshire
Julia 27 b 1824 Portsmouth, Hampshire
Mary Ann 6 b 1845 Portsmouth, Hampshire
Margaret 4mths b 1850 Reading, Berkshire
Joseph Robinson 22 b1829 Kingsland, Middlesex Shoemaker
Eliza Townsend 18 b 1833 Chebsey, Middlesex Visitor
Mark Noble 20 b 1831 Bath, Somerset, Tinman
1861 Census Fordington County/Island: Dorset Mill Street
James Wells 45 b 1816 Broad Chalke, Wiltshire, England Cutler
Kitty 36 b 1825 Dublin, Ireland
Fredrick 18 b 1843 Fordington, Dorset,
Alice 16 b 1845 Fordington, Dorset,
Edward 10 b 1851 Fordington, Dorset,
George 8 b 1853 Fordington, Dorset,
Amos 6 b 1855 Fordington, Dorset,
Eli 4 b1857 Fordington, Dorset,
Horace 3 b 1858 Fordington, Dorset,
Emma 1 b 1860 Fordington, Dorset,
1871 Census Fordington, Dorchester Dorset, Mill Street
James Wells 54 b 1817 Broadwinsor, Wiltshire, widow/Grinder
Fredrick 29 b 1842 Fordington, Dorset, Gas fitter
Mary Ann 25 b 1846 Fordington, Dorset, Sister in law
Amos 15 b 1855 Fordington, Dorset, Son
Eli 13 b 1858 Fordington, Dorset, Son
Emma 9 b 1862 Fordington, Dorset, Daughter
Elizabeth 7 b 1864 Fordington, Dorset, Daughter
1891 Census Lyme (Lyme Regis) Axminster Dorset
Matilda Stone 50 b 1841 Uplyme, Devon, Widow/licenced Hawker
John 30 b 1861 Lyme, Dorset
James 19 b 1872 Lyme, Dorset
Noah 16 b1875 Lyme, Dorset
Elizabeth 15 b 1876 Lyme, Dorset
Mary Jane 12 b 1879 Lyme, Dorset
Kate 9 b 1882 Lyme, Dorset
Alfred 8 b 1883 Lyme, Dorset
James Veach 55 b1836 Uplyme, Devon, Lodger/Labour
James Wells 90 b 1801 Bristol, Gloucestershire, Visitor widow/Licenced Hawker
Christenings :
Fredric Wells 30 Apr 1843 Christening Place: Fordington, Dorset, England
Father's Name: James Wells Mother's Name: Catharine
Amos Wells 11th April 1855 Christening Place: Fordington, Dorset, England
Father's Name: James Wells Mother's Name: Catherine
Eli Wells 12 Jan 1857 Christening Place: Fordington, Dorset, England
Father's Name: James Wells Mother's Name: Catharine
Horace Wells 31 Jul 1859 Christening Place: Fordington, Dorset, England
Father's Name: James Wells Mother's Name: Catherine
Emma Wells 14 Mar 1861 Christening Place: Fordington, Dorset, England
Father's Name: James Wells Mother's Name: Katharine
Marriage :
James Wells – Catharine Ryalley 1842 Jul/Aug/SeptSturminster Dorset
I wondered if it was your James Wells ? But couldn;t find Matilda ,then in 1891 there is a Matilda Stone ? and it looks like James Wells is visiting as you have marriage before 1851 Census could she be their daughter ?
I found a marriage
Matilda Wells - Henry Stone Jul/Aug/Sept 1858 Axminster Devon Dorset
It may not be your family but hope it helps someone 
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TENETT BUCKLAND & PLATO BUCKLAND ( MY LINEAGE)
Buckland Smith James Stanley Lovell Loveridge Lee Cooper Penfold/Pinfold Orchard Boswell Broadway Wells
AREAS OF INTEREST CORNWALL DEVON USA
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devonblue
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So sorry, I only just saw this.
I'll look at it in detail and get back to you. You've been busy. Thanks.
Mind you I always think doing someone else's look ups is often easier (not saying it was in this case, there's mountains of info here  ) and sometimes more interesting than staring at your own brick walls!!
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Midlands:Bayliss, Clemo, Eburn, Evans, Finney, Mayo, Morris, Rhead, Shutt, Upton, Waterhouse, Woodward, Wright, Woolley, Wyatt,
Devon: Gillard, Jenkins, Manfield, Morrish, Palk, Salter, Shire, Scorse, Summers, Wood,
Dorset: Fudge, Roberts,Trowbridge,
Montgomeryshire: Evans
Norfolk: Bond, Everard, Riches,
Somerset:Clothier, Hockey, Jenkins, Shire
Ireland:Mihill, Woodward, Zumach
Scotland:Lewis
Travellers:Cooper, Davies, Hughes, Manley, Orchard, Penfold, Roberts, Small, Wells/Wills
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devonblue
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Ok.
If Matilda Wells married in 1847 and was of 'full age' she must have been born prior to 1826.
You Robert Wells (and Amelia Cooper) might have been her brother. I dont think Jospeh could have been her father the age is wrong but again he could have been her brother.
The James Wells and Catherine family again could be her brother, in fact this is quite likley as he was a cutler, the same ocupation as her father.
So looking at this logically we have a James Wells who has children:
Robert b 1819
James b 1816 Wiltshire
Joseph 1821 Dorset
Matilda b 1826, Exeter,
The Matilda I found in Plymouth in 1841 was with an older woman Grace Well aged 54 so born about 1787, was this her grandmother???
Another possibility is to look for the Marriage witnesses, Levi Thomas and Henry Curme. That might throw something up.
Still need to do a lot of searching methinks!
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Midlands:Bayliss, Clemo, Eburn, Evans, Finney, Mayo, Morris, Rhead, Shutt, Upton, Waterhouse, Woodward, Wright, Woolley, Wyatt,
Devon: Gillard, Jenkins, Manfield, Morrish, Palk, Salter, Shire, Scorse, Summers, Wood,
Dorset: Fudge, Roberts,Trowbridge,
Montgomeryshire: Evans
Norfolk: Bond, Everard, Riches,
Somerset:Clothier, Hockey, Jenkins, Shire
Ireland:Mihill, Woodward, Zumach
Scotland:Lewis
Travellers:Cooper, Davies, Hughes, Manley, Orchard, Penfold, Roberts, Small, Wells/Wills
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devonblue
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According to Matilda's marriage cert her father was James Wells a cutler so presumably siblings would have the same father if they had the same surname.
As for Mark Roberts he was def married to Patience Manley as Patience was my mother in law's aunt and the used to visit well within living memory. I wonder if that was his second marriage then?
I'll have to look tomorrow, I'm off out in a mo for the rest of the day.
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Midlands:Bayliss, Clemo, Eburn, Evans, Finney, Mayo, Morris, Rhead, Shutt, Upton, Waterhouse, Woodward, Wright, Woolley, Wyatt,
Devon: Gillard, Jenkins, Manfield, Morrish, Palk, Salter, Shire, Scorse, Summers, Wood,
Dorset: Fudge, Roberts,Trowbridge,
Montgomeryshire: Evans
Norfolk: Bond, Everard, Riches,
Somerset:Clothier, Hockey, Jenkins, Shire
Ireland:Mihill, Woodward, Zumach
Scotland:Lewis
Travellers:Cooper, Davies, Hughes, Manley, Orchard, Penfold, Roberts, Small, Wells/Wills
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Trainette
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Hi , I have been following this thread as it my direct line, All I know is that lots of Romanies went to America about that time, some liked it stayed and others chose to come back to England. I come from The Roberts twice as my mothers granny was Martha Roberts daughter of Fred and Becky she married Joe Orchard and my fathers granny was Trainette daghter of Fred and Becky and she marrie Joe Penfold. The Fiance who married Mark Roberts was a sister to Joe ( married to Martha)
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devonblue
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Tiggi, I have Mark Roberts marrying Fiance (Frances) Orchard in SeptQ 1889 registered in Exeter. Those are Mark Jn's parents.
I am now even more puzzled by the Wells though.
I have found a family of Robert Wells b 1819, his wife Amelia and several children going to America in 1854 and again in 1862, about the time that the Roberts went. This lot include a Richard Wells b in Glasgow. A Richard Wells b 1841 Glasgow was living with the Manleys (Matilda Wells) in lodgings in Sidmouth in 1871 so they must be related somewhere along the line. I wonder if the Robert Wells who went to America was Matilda's brother? Do you know anything about these ?
Have still had no replies to my emails to the owner of the Romanygenes sites who appears to be related to all this lot too via the Hughes/Jones family.
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Midlands:Bayliss, Clemo, Eburn, Evans, Finney, Mayo, Morris, Rhead, Shutt, Upton, Waterhouse, Woodward, Wright, Woolley, Wyatt,
Devon: Gillard, Jenkins, Manfield, Morrish, Palk, Salter, Shire, Scorse, Summers, Wood,
Dorset: Fudge, Roberts,Trowbridge,
Montgomeryshire: Evans
Norfolk: Bond, Everard, Riches,
Somerset:Clothier, Hockey, Jenkins, Shire
Ireland:Mihill, Woodward, Zumach
Scotland:Lewis
Travellers:Cooper, Davies, Hughes, Manley, Orchard, Penfold, Roberts, Small, Wells/Wills
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