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Daisy Loo
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Okay, well, I haven't yet figured out exactly what he was doing there...I have a thread going on the military board, but I need to go to TNA, to look up more papers. Alexander was disharged from the 9th Batallion, RA in 1850. His daughter that was born in 1849, was registered as a regimental Birth, (baptised in woolwich) and her cert shows it was the Royal Horse Artillery, 9th Batallion. (he was a gunner & driver)
However, as a pensioner he was living in the barracks in Clonmel, for a fact, in 1864, as another daughter's civil birth shows that as his address.
Got a bid of annoying news today...I can't get my hands on a copy of Clonmel 1840-1900 Anatomy of an Irish Town by Sean O Donnell from the library. They say it's not available 
I wonder if I can get my hands on it another way 
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crystalight
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 I have been following this thread with great interest as I am trying to trace the marriage of my 3x Great Grandparents and the births of their first three children in Ireland.
I too like to collect all the social history that I can and I am wondering if the Barracks at Clonmel holds the answer.
I am sorry to butt in here, but any help would be great,
The marriage was recorded in the military records of the 77th Reg of Foot for Paris William Augustus Bradshawe
1822 - Rank of Ensign (formally Cadet) 26 December 1822
1825 - Rank of Lieutenant 24 February 1825
1830 Marriage - 12 May 1830, Fethard, Diosese of Cashel and Emly, Munster Province, Ireland (age 24 years) to Isabella Kernahan (believed to have been born in Lisburn, Belfast but no proof)
I have been unable to find out any more about this marriage or find any record of it.
The same with the first three children
1. Anne Bradshawe was born in ? Ireland on 3rd December 1828 and was baptised in Weybridge Surrey England in 1837 with her sister Isabella (No.3) Listing the two parents above and confirming birth details.
2. Charlotte Maria Bradshawe born abt 1830/31 in Clonmel, Ireland she then disappears until 1851 when she marry's in Catsfield, Battle Sussex England - I have never been able to locate her at the time of her sisters baptisms and wonder why she was not also baptised (maybe this had already taken place in Ireland?) No records found of the birth.
3. Isabella Bradshawe was born Born 17th August 1831 and was baptised in Weybridge Surrey England in 1837 with her sister Anne (No.1) Listing the two parents above and confirming birth details.
Just hoping on the off chance someone may be able to throw some light on this family?
Not living in Ireland I have no idea how far Fethard is from Clonmel that may be a start.
Living in hope,
Crystal 
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Daisy Loo
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Hi Crystal 
Whenever I have looked up Barracks at Clonmel, Fethard has come up as well. They are not very far apart at all, and there were Barracks at Fethard too, but I don't know from what date.
The only way you would find a record for the marriage, is by finding the church record, as any kind of civil records didn't start until 1845 (for protestant marriages) and 1864 (for catholic marriages)
Have you seen this website? http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/search.php?filename=db_QUIS
I have another link somewhere on Tipperary, but can't find it at the moment, when I do< I'll post it. Also you seem to know quite a bit about Paris William Augustus Bradshawe...do you have his military records?
Daisy Loo
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crystalight
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Thanks for those links Daisy,
I will have a look later.
I viewed the only part of his military history that I could find at the National Archives 2 years ago but for some reason they only went up to just after his marriage in Ireland.
I know from other research (Army lists etc.) that he stayed with the 77th (East Middlesex) regiment of Foot becoming Adjutant and later Major by which time he was on half pay and unattached, by 1881 he was a retired Colonel of the Army and a Military Knight of Windsor but I have fond no military records for any of this time.
I know from records of his other children's births that he spent time in the West Indies as well but cannot find the records, he appears on a census in 1870 in the US and he died in Malta so he certainly got around!
regards Crystal
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Daisy Loo
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wow, he certainly did! Have you posted on the military boards at all, to see if you can get any more info on records?
Good luck, though, and if I come across anything else, i will certainly pass it on to you
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crystalight
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Thanks Daisy, I did post quite a while ago now but maybe I should dig the post back out.
If I come across anything for you I will let you know, also if I manage a trip to TNA at any time I will contact you so I may do a look up.
cheers
Crystal
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sante
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I know some time has passed I don't have the bradshaw's birthday's, but I believe they have a brother called thomas Christie who was born on 11 Sept 1838 in London. Also I believe that Anne married Dr Robert Butterfield Cumming in 1850.
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crystalight
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Sorry to jump in on this thread but.............
Hi Sante
Yes indeed the details you post are correct, I cannot PM you as you do not have enough posts
- My GG Grandfather was Thomas Christie Bradshaw.
I am curious to know if you have more details? especially regarding his mother.
Regards Crystal
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EAP
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Thank you so much for this, Daisy Loo. I have just come in on this thread and did not know about that website. Tonight I have just found my gtgtgrandmother's christening on it, though unfortunately not her parents' marriage, births or deaths. I have been searching for these people for eight years now. Now at least I have discovered her mother's maiden name.
Although the site is pay-per-view, 5euros does not sound too exorbitant. When I visited the Tipperary Family History Centre and the Brian Boru Centre in person in 2001, I was quoted a sum of 20 euros per search of the closely guarded database. It seems someone in Ireland has realised they will have to drop their prices a bit if they want to make money out of family history.
I also looked at the Waterford Library site you recommended on another thread, and found the same family's details on the Clonmel Griffiths Valuation - which, for some reason seems to count as Co. Waterford - so Rootschat is very much in my good books at the moment.
Thank you again. I'm feeling quite pleased this evening
Best wishes,
Edwina
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Daisy Loo
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That's really good Edwina! I have come to a bit of a dead end myself, with my Clonmel...hopefully one day, I too will discover an additional piece of onfo that will kick start things again.
Rootschat is good like that...certainly helped me no end
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