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hobbyhorse
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Looking for any details of Edward Painter ( sometimes calls himself Edmund ! ).
Father was a John Painter, farmer. Edward was born around 1810, give or take 4 years, in Godmanstone, Dorchester. I am trying to find his christening and his mother's name. Looked at Dorset on line parish records, but a lot missing.
There seem to be a lot of Painters in this area, as well as around yeovil !
Are there any documents relating to the farms around Godmanstone and who farmed them?
Edward/Edmund was a butler/domestic servant and is in worcestershire in the 1851 census and by 1861 is known as Edward and is in herefordshire.
Any information regarding the Painter family would be appreciated.
regards
Hobbyhorse
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Daisypetal
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Hi,
Could he be fibbing about his age? I found this baptism,
Edmond PAINTER
Christening Date: 28 Sep 1800
Christening Place: Godmanstone, Dorset
Father's Name: John PAINTER
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
other children with same parents names and same place,
John 6 Apr 1788
Thomas 23 Jan 1791
Elizabeth 24 Apr 1792
Martha 15 Jun 1794
William 19 Oct 1796
Mary 28 Sep 1800
Jane 24 Feb 1802
Jane 14 Aug 1803
This looks like it could be Edmond in 1841, although transcribed as Edward looking at the writing on the image I think it could be Edmond,
1841 HO107/283/14 f.3 p.1 Godmanstone
PAINTER
Edward/Edmond 35 Ag Lag
Mary 40
Flora 12
Elizabeth 70 All born in County.
as no relationships are given in 1841 Mary could be his wife, sister or any other family member.
Regards
Daisy
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hobbyhorse
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Hello Daisy
Thankyou for the information. I think you may have the right one. This means that he is at least 10 years older than he says he is. I have his marriage certificate and he says he is 39, in 1853. He marries a 21 year old girl, Lucy Haylings. If he was christened in 1800 ( sibbling Mary also christened, on the same day), then he would be in his 50's when he got married.
After his first wife dies, he now calls himself Edward and remarries a Mary Ann.I wonder why he lied about his age ?
Would you know please if the parents John Painter and Elizabeth got married in that parish. Again on the Dorset parish records on line, I cannot find a wedding in Godmanstone, as records are missing.
In the 1841 census, there is a Flora Painter age 12. Would you be able to find a christening for her? I am wondering if she is a daughter of Edmond?
Thankyou very much for your help. It is very much appreciated.
Hobbyhorse
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Daisypetal
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Hi,
In the 'England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940' at Ancestry and on the IGI (extracted record) I found,
John PAINTER
Elizabeth FRAMPTON
14 Oct 1783
Godmanstone, Dorset
but using the Dorset OPC site I found,
Godmanstone
Thomas PAINTER
Elizabeth FRAMPTON
14 Oct 1783
maybe someone could look at the original to check which is correct.
I can't find a birth/baptism for Flora but I can see her later in 1851 and her marriage on the IGI which gives her father as Edward,
1851 HO107/1669 f.742 p.34 Southampton All Saints, Hampshire
13 Upper Southampton St
Richard CLARK Head M 48 Carpenter Dorset Broad Windsor
Ann Wife M 47 Suffolk Sudbury
Ann Daur - 16 Milliner Dorset Dorchester
Flora PAINTER Visitor U 20 Servant Dorset "
Flora PAINTER
Father: Edward PAINTER
Spouse: Edward BRISTOW
Father: William Barnabus BRISTOW
Marriage: 23 JUN 1860 All Saints, Southampton, Hampshire
Flora PAINTER Jun Q 1860 Southampton 2c 12
Edward BRISTOW with same details.
Daisy
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nanny jan
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Hi,
Dorset FHS have transcribed Godmanstone Parish Registers and offer a search service; http://www.dorsetfhs.org.uk
Baptisms 1716-1812 Marriages 1654-1836 Burials 1716-1812
Nanny Jan
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Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick) all LDN area/suburbs Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT Gandy/LDN before 1830 Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK Rainer/CAN (Toronto)
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hobbyhorse
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Hello
Thanks for your kind help. Flora Painter is the daughter of Edward Painter, in the 1841census. This is confusing, because my Edward/Edmund got married for the first time in Upton on Severn, Worcestershire. Was he again lying. He seems to be rather old in those days to be getting married for the first time, in 1853? If the christening record for 1800 is correct he would be approx 53. He says he is 39 and has signed the form himself, as Edmund Painter.
Not sure what to think, as he seems a bit of a shifty character..... changing his name and fibbing about his age.
Godmanstone is a tiny place..... there can't be many Edmund/ Edward Painters in that location around 1810. I am a little concerned that the christening in 1800 is about 11 years earlier than his said age.
Perhaps if this is him (father of Flora ), then I will see if I can find a marriage for him in around 1827. If this is my ancestor, then he would also have fibbed on his wedding certificate, in 1853. It states batchelor.... if he had a daughter with his name, then surely he would be widower !!
very confusing.
hobbyhorse
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