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Topic: Lineage of Ellen Eliza Clayton 1853-1893 (Leeds) (Read 696 times)
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2ron2
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I am trying to find out the lineage of my gg grandmother Ellen Eliza Clayton. She was born Jun Qtr 1853 in Scarborough, Yorkshire and died 7 Apr 1893 in Bramley West Yorkshire. Her first marriage was to William Roberts who dies before 1879. They were married in 1868 and had children: George Clayton, Elizabeth Ann, and Mary Ann. Ellen remarries 2nd William Darbyshire (my gg grandfather) on 3 Nov 1879. William was born 14 Dec 1856 and died after 1911.
I attained the marriage certificate for William and Ellen hoping to find out a name of her father. To my surprise, she lists her father as George Roberts, a mason. I believe this is her first husband William's father and in fact was her ex father-in-law. Ellen died leaving 6 children with William, and the two eldest girls, Sarah Ellen and Edith Amelia were eventually Bernardo Home Children and came to Canada in 1896. I have files from the Home of their time in the home and beginnings here in Canada. The records continue until they marry. Although I have had some success with the Darbyshire line, I am unable to find out more on Ellen at this point. Any info on her earlier years would be greatly appreciated.
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Tati
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Hi 2ron2,
It would be useful to get hold of Ellen's birth certificate to clarify her parentage. Here a possible Ellen in 1861:
RG9/3618 54 15
Scarborough, Yorkshire
56 Long West Gate
Elizabeth Jackson, head, wid, 61, Joiner's widow
Elizabeth Clayton, dau, mar, 34, Deserted by her husband
Elizabeth clayton, granddau, 13
Ellen Clayton, granddau, 8, scholar
All born Scarborough.
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Tati
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Ten years earlier:
1851
HO107/2368 351 18
Scarborough, Yorkshire
1 Peacocks Yard
George Clayton, head, 26, Stone Mason, b. Lincolnshire Barton
Elizabeth, wife, 24, b. Scarbro
Elizabeth Hannah, dau, 2, scholar, b. do.
So if I have the right family, maybe the surname Roberts was just a mistake?
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Tati
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The deserter in 1861 ... 
1861
RG9/482 10 12
Chatham, Kent
Top of Rhode Street n°1
George Clayton, head, mar, 37, Stone Mason, b. Lincolnshire Barton
Mary, wife, 29, b. Yorkshire Scarboro
George W, son, 6, scholar, b. Surrey Lambeth
Harry M, son, 5, scholar, b. Kent Chatham
John W, son, 2, scholar, b. do.
Rosa B, dau, 10 mo, b. do.
Ellen Brown, visitor, 11, b. Yorkshire Scarboro
It seems he dies in Sep 1868, Medway registration district.
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2ron2
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Thank you so much for those who have replied to try and solve the lineage of Ellen Clayton. I will try to answer your concerns here:
Regarding her marriage at 15. it seems so. I have her marrying William Roberts, Sept Qtr 1868, Pontrefact, Yorkshire: first child George Clayton Roberts born 1871 based on info provided in Barnardo papers. Ages of my gg grandmother's relatives at the time of her entering the Home were provided and info matches what is known.
1861 census for George Clayton as a stone mason is interesting. Ellen being born 1853 and not in the household seems odd though, where would she be at age 8?
The Elizabeth Jackson reference in 1861 with mother Elizabeth Clayton deserted by husband, which includes Ellen Clayton as the granddaughter could indeed be the one. That would make sense why she didn't list her biological father on her wedding registration, but that of her former father-in -law George Roberts. This is worth looking into!
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BumbleB
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Hi: I take it back about the 15 year old!
1861 Census: RG9 3618 folio 54, page 15
56 Long West Gate, Scarborough
Elizabeth Jackson, 61, joiner's widow
Elizabeth Clayton, 34 deserted by her husband
Elizabeth Clayton 13
Ellen Clayton 8 all born Scarborough
1871 Census: RG10 4699 folio 57, page 48
37 Dolphin Street, Attercliffe cum Darnall (Sheffield)
William Roberts 23 coalminer, born Barsley Lancashire (?Barnsley)
Helen Eliza 18 born Scarborough
Elizabeth H 1, born Castleford
George C 1 month born Attercliffe
Frank Jennison 44 Father in law, born Norton
Elizabeth Jennison 44 mother in law born Scarborough
1881 Census: RG11 4532 folio 135 page 19
2 Fishers Yard, Leeds
William Darbyshire 24 Bricklayer's Labourer born Church Fenton
Ellen 28 Tailoress born Scarborough
1881 Census: RG11 4533 folio 106 page 27
5 Bedford Row, Leeds
Elizabeth Jennison 54 Tailoress, born Scarborough
Elizabeth H Roberts 8 born Leeds
George C Roberts 10 born Sheffield
1891 Census RG12 3678 folio 48, page 34
14 Greenwood Street, Wortley
William Darbyshire 37 cab driver
Ellen 39 born Scarborough
George C Roberts 20 coal driver born Sheffield
Elizabeth ? Roberts 18 tailoress born Leeds
Mary Roberts 13 born Leeds
Sarah E Darbyshire 8 born Leeds
Edith Darbyshire 7 born Leeds
Sam 5 born Leeds
William 3 born Leeds
John J 2 born Leeds
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Archbell - anywhere, any date
Kendall - WRY
Milner - WRY
Appleyard - WRY
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2ron2
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Hi BumbleB
This is her! You have helped confirm her background for me. I will need to look into who her father was now. I can access through the 1901 census online site that provides census and BMD records. Thank you so much for taking the time to look up this info for me, it is much appreciated. My great grandmother Sarah Ellen Darbysire according to my Dad had little recollection of her mother and knew nothing of her background. So this is big news for my family tree.
2ron2
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Tati
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Really confident we have the right people, so here are Ellen's parents in 1841:
1841
HO107/1266/10 12 17
Scarborough, Yorkshire
Long West Gate
Christopher Jackson, 46, Joiner
Elizabeth, 42
John, 19, Ship Carpenter
Betsy, 14
Ellen Robinson, 4
Mary Fox, 30
All born in county
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1841
HO107/627/7 13 19
Barton Upon Humber St Mary, Lincolnshire
Waterside Rd
Hannah Clayton, 30, Laundress
Mary, 15
George, 15, Apprentice Stone Mason
Fanny, 12
Harriet, 10
Ellen, 8
Hannah, 6
Eliza, 4
Nathan, 4 months
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Chas Tharrat?, 60, Ag lab
Mary do., 25
All born in county
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2ron2
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This site is awesome! Thank you to all. and to Tati for the latest info taking me back to 1841 census records!
I have lots to fit together and tie up loose ends. I can't thank you all enough.
Would anyone have any idea if any of these residences still exist? Unfortunately I was in England about 14 yrs ago and actually as a tourist went to Leeds Castle. Of course my interest in genealogy being peaked I started my search on my return to Canada regarding English ancestors, prior all my investigations were in Canada. . Oh the chances I missed to visit cemeteries and residences. I'll have to come back!
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Tati
I need some help sorting info now.......
Elizabeth Jennison is the listed grandmother of the Roberts children (William Roberts and Ellen Clayton). And she is listed as a joiner's widow.
But you have Elizabeth Clayton marrying Francis Jennison in 1879. Is this MY Ellen Eliza Clayton who married Roberts and Darbyshire?
Then there's Christopher jackson (joiner) with wife Elizabeth (she would be the joiner's widow?, but she's a Jackson not a Jennison) ?
Where does the Hannah clayton and children fit in?
Thanks
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Tati
I jumped the gun...... pays to look up some stuff first!
Betsy Jackson married George Hart Clayton in Sep Qtr 1845 in Scarborough.
George must die before 1871
Elizabeth and Frank Jennison are listed as in-laws on the 1871 census living with William Roberts and family (wife Ellen eliza Clayton).
So it's Elizabeth Clayton (Jackson) marries Francis Jennison who dies Sep Qtr 1880 Leeds
MY Ellen Eliza Clayton who married William Darbyshire was the dtr of George
Hart Clayton and Elizabeth Jackson!
WOW
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