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Topic: HENDERSON, George - South Australia (Read 1489 times)
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flogged
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Any chance someone might have this George and family before him?
He was born c1800 at Ludgvan Cornwall, next I have on him is the marriage in Australia to Regina Maria Gruneison b1810 Bendigo Vic.
Anything pre 1800 on the family would be great.
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Freer, Stewart, Blair, Bruce, Wylie, Henderson, Nichols, Ward, Weddell, Waddell, Lear, Gruneison, Maitland, Freeman, Sawyers, Logan, Phillips, Whitely.
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krisesjoint
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Hi Flogged,
I wonder what makes you feel George was from Ludgvan. Do you some documentation of this? You mention Regina was born in Bendigo. That does not seem to tally unless she had travelled. Her family appear to be from London. I note the family arrived in Adelaide George, Regina and 4 Children aboard the Prince George from London in 1838. I see Regina's sister Louisa Placid was onboard the same ship.
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1838PrinceGeorge-London.htm
I am not seeing much in SA.
BISA is not terribly helpful
HENDERSON George arr: by 1842 res Thebarton rel RC m Regina Maria C Theophiley Chas 1842 Claude 1844
These births are not listed in the SA Births (Very early SA History a lot were not.)
I thought George from Hindmarsh may have died in 1867 but another entry on the BISA suggests this George (a piano tuner, lab) was from Wexford Ireland and arrived in 1855.
Presume George and Regina left SA and perhaps it is an interstate death certificate which lists George as born in Ludgvan. 
The only George Henderson I can see anywhere in Cornwall was born in Bodmin in 1812 (Son of Abraham and Elizabeth, seemed a bit late, and since they had another George in 1817 this cannot be him as we know your George was married by 1832) Looks like we have to get back to 1778 to find an earlier one born anywhere in Cornwall.
I see three children baptised St James Westminster (London) listed on the IGI extracted records. Seem to be a few Henderson families baptising children in St James around this time
William George Francis 18 Nov 1832 (b 20 Oct)
Regina Catherine 8 Nov 1835 (b 3 Oct)
Arthur Louis 30 Apr 1837 (b 20 Apr)
Cheers Kris 
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flogged
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Hello and thankyou, these particular notes are of the first research done in 1985, carried out by researcher, generally we place a question mark beside the unconfirmed notes, the reason for LUDGVAN is that several of the name given with Henderson at the time were of LUDGVAN, a small note does say married in London about 1831, a certificate of very poor quality also shows he was a music teacher in Adelaide, also the "Theophily" name is "Theophilus"
You have show a conformation for George and we thankyou.
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Freer, Stewart, Blair, Bruce, Wylie, Henderson, Nichols, Ward, Weddell, Waddell, Lear, Gruneison, Maitland, Freeman, Sawyers, Logan, Phillips, Whitely.
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TRAVELBUG
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Hi, I have just joined this forum.
I cannot guess who or what BISA is. Not the British institute of studies association 
However, I am related to George and Regina Henderson - my g.g. grandparents. I have no idea about whether George was from Cornwall or Ireland, but I understand that the George Henderson that came out in 1855 was a shepherd from Wiltshire. Our George came out with his wife, 2 sons and 2 daughters, (presumably George Jr., Regina C., Arthur and Constance) on the "Prince George" arriving Adelaide 26/12/1838.
They lived in Adelaide between 13-15 years before moving to Bendigo for the gold rush - like a lot of other South Australians. Their eldest son, George, worked in the mines until his death. He was killed by a bolting horse on his way home from work. Regina and four of the children are buried in Bendigo cemeteries; Regina, 1892, George, 1898, Theophilus, 1899, Claude, 1896, Septimus, 1879. Francis was the executor of his mother's will and died in Ballaarat on 19 July 1907.
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krisesjoint
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Hi TRAVELBUG,
A Big Welcome to RootsChat. 
Lovely you have joined us. Flogged will be pleased to see a connection and get some more information on the family.
The BISA is a South Australian Publication, The Biographical Index of South Australians 1836-1885, was produced by the The South Australian Genealogy & Heraldry Society. It is not always 100% accurate as some of the material was submitted, but we find it often provides some very good leads for us to follow up on. Some entries are quite detailed - other are not.
Unfortunately very little on your family. There are a few George HENDERSONS listed. The one I was initially wondering about who died in 1867 at Hindmarsh lists as born Wexford. There is another listing as arriving in 1855 from Midlothian and one in 1856 from Cheshire. Others with no suggestion of where they came from. I don't see any listing as Shepherd.
HENDERSON George born c1829 Midlothian Scotland arr: 1855 BUCEPHALUS 0ccupatiom Blacksmith religion Presbyterian
HENDERSON George born about 1796 Wexford Ireland died 30 May 1867 Adelaide SA arrived 1855 TELEGRAPH 0ccupation Piano Tuner, Labourer residence Hindmarsh religion Protestant
married unknown children - son, 2 daughters
Cheers Kris
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TRAVELBUG
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Thank you for the welcome. And thank you for explaining BISA.
I looked up the Ships Lists to find the George Henderson arriving 1855. What I found was a George Henderson, age 55, shepherd, B-index 718/1, who was listed with the single men. Thomas Henderson, age 15, labourer, was listed under him. Both were from Wiltshire and presumably were father and son immigrating together on the TELEGRAPH.
Some wires seem to have crossed somewhere. 
Someone said they have a reference to George living in Thebarton in 1842, which I see from Google Earth is just across the river from Hindmarsh. That reference had his religion as R.C., not Protestant.
However I have finally sorted out all ten children thanks to Marg in W.A.
George William, 1832-1898, Regina Catherine, 1835, Arthur Louis, 1837, Constance, 1838 all in London; then John Young 1840, Theophalis Charles 1842-1899, Claude 1844, Emma 1844/46-1886, Francis Christian 1848-1907, Septimus 1850/51-1879 all born Adelaide. Regina C. and John were both dead by 1892.
Does anyone know what happened to Arthur Louis, Constance and Claude?
On the marriage certificate of George W. to Sarah Johnston, it states that George Snr. is a Prof. of Music residing in London. It also says George's mother is Georgiana, so accuracy was not top priority in those times.
See ya.
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krisesjoint
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Hi TRAVELBUG,
I took a look in the library today for immigration records re George Hendersons. There are Online passenger lists for these trips via
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/SAassistedindex.htm
but with the confusion in the BISA I did want to view the originals.
1855 TELEGRAPH - aged 55 Shepherd from Wiltshire
1855 BUCEPHALUS - aged 21 Blacksmith from Midlothian
1856 ELIZA - aged 20 Miner from Chester
Here is Your George's application for free travel.
Application for Free Passage No 2638 22 June 1838
HENDERSON George - Labourer, Soapmaker
Address 57 Charlton St Somer Town
Male 34, Female 27, Males 5 1/2 and 4, Females 2 1/2 and 8 Months
Agent - W A McKINNON Esq.
Embarkation No - 1496
Cheers Kris
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TRAVELBUG
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Thanks for going to the trouble of visiting to the library. The George Henderson seeking free passage to Aust. seems very close to what we are looking for. I was surprised to see he was a soap maker though and I think Somers Town is a poorer part of London. The children's ages did not correspond very well except for George, 5 1/2. Would a working class person get their children christened in a church in the richer side of town?
I was wondering about your title. What does moderator and marquessate mean?
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krisesjoint
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Hi TRAVELBUG, (and flogged if you are still with us)
Sorry, for my delay, I have been trying to sort a few things out. I am afraid I know nothing of London Parishes. All I know is that was what was listed when he applied for free passage 
Do you know where and when George died? Looking at the BISA entry for George on the Telegraph - funny that it says piano tuner, given that your George was involved in music. I feel there has obviously been a mixup with just which George is which here. I have been trying to work out what is going on, and the facts certainly do not add up.
I say this as according to the BISA
HENDERSON George born about 1796 Wexford Ireland died 30 May 1867 Adelaide SA arrived 1855 TELEGRAPH 0ccupation Piano Tuner, Labourer residence Hindmarsh religion Protestant
married unknown children - son, 2 daughters
I do now have a couple of interesting little titbits for you.
I find a reference to a George HENDERSON in the destitute asylum in 1870.
He is listed as a Methodist, age sadly I can't read but most importantly it lists him as having been in the colony 15 years arrived TELEGRAPH nationality English. He was living at Hindmarsh. He was a labourer. He had 1 son and 2 daughters. Circumstances - "is quite worn out and unable to work". It is dated 11/11/1870
So George who arrived on the telegraph could not have died in 1867. There is a death 29 May 1867 Adelaide [HS] Dist Ade 27 356. He was aged 65 no marital status, relative or residence is listed. (Buried at West Terrace)
Clearly this is not George from the Telegraph as he is in the destitute asylum 3 1/2 years later.
I suspect his death is in 1875 listing a residence of Kilkenny aged 81. Death lists relative as Charles POOLE - son in law (buried at Hindmarsh)
The other interesting item is I also noted in the destitute asylum 9/3/1855 one Claude HENDERSON aged 11 now living at Norwood. He was colonial born. circumstances - "Deserted by his father".
spotted this article in the newspapers online re his will
http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3627339?searchTerm=%22claude+henderson%22
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Cheers Kris
PS: I now note flogged believes George was from Wexford Ireland (Kind of goes with my thoughts on there being a George Henderson mixup.)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,364198.msg2569959.html#msg2569959
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This may sound crazy, but by what I have read on the net, no-one actually knows when George died. What if he was back in Adelaide and died here.
HENDERSON George died 29 May 1867 Adelaide [HS] Dist Ade 27 356. He was aged 65 no marital status, relative or residence is listed. (H is hospital, S is extra information) It seems no-one knew much about this chap
George HENDERSON was Buried at West Terrace Cemetery 31 May 1867 no age is listed last residence Adelaide.
Your George certainly avoided the records here. I can't find anything, no births registered, nothing in the Government Journal, not listed in the 1841 census. We have his arrival in 1838 aged 34 so this age at death is horribly close and I am not finding another George of around this age arriving in SA. We know now this death is not the Wiltshire Shepherd, the other arrivals are for much younger men. I have a funny feeling this is your George particularly as by what I can see no-one has a death certificate. SA certificates do not contain a lot more information than what is listed in the index. This one has the letter S so there is something. Certificates cost $39.50
http://www.ocba.sa.gov.au/bdm/contact.html
or you can purchase a transcript for $15 from the SAGHS
http://www.saghs.org.au/research.htm#transcription
Cheers Kris
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Kirsesjoint, you show as in SA, I have niece there up near the Hills, there is also the name of Logan in Adelaide we seek and the name Lear.George and Regina also had a son named George, born in 1833 and died in 98 making George jnr also 65 yrs at time of death. History is fun when an area of interest holds little in records, the same has occured with obits, someone has set up a site but West Aust will not provide details in any way shape of form, the same with the site for gravesite headstone, more than 400 cemeteries in NSW have given full and free access, other states ant Territories are also working in as well, West Aust, nothing.
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Freer, Stewart, Blair, Bruce, Wylie, Henderson, Nichols, Ward, Weddell, Waddell, Lear, Gruneison, Maitland, Freeman, Sawyers, Logan, Phillips, Whitely.
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Hi flogged,
Yes I am in the Mid North of SA.
I think you need to edit your Wexford Thread - We Know George and his family arrived in SA in 1838 not 1855 - Regina's sister was aboard the same ship. The Wiltshire shepherd arrived in 1855 and incorrect information has been entered in his BISA entry. As I have mentioned the BISA is not always 100% accurate. I have a gut feeling it is your George's death which has been attributed to this man, and maybe your Georges "born Wexford" although the birth year for your George appears to be more like 1802-1804 than 1796. 
I have just about run out of options for finding information on George in Adelaide. He really has avoided the records. I feel I have tried most of the more obscure sources I can think of. There is an index I can try for early newspaper entries next time I am at the library but that it about all I can think of, and I am not holding my breath. They may have been in Adelaide a little longer than you think with young Claude 'Deserted by his father" in 1855. I am assuming they were still in Adelaide at this time or this was about when they moved. Hard to imagine an 11 year old travelling back to Adelaide unaccompanied.
Cheers Kris
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Hello Krisesjoint, yes, will adjust details, I have made change to the actual title removing "Ludgvan" but it continues to reappear, originally I had Goerge at "about 1810" that was the original date I was given, and I shall go through all the notes given in here and redo the original.
Thanks.
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Freer, Stewart, Blair, Bruce, Wylie, Henderson, Nichols, Ward, Weddell, Waddell, Lear, Gruneison, Maitland, Freeman, Sawyers, Logan, Phillips, Whitely.
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Re Louisa Placid GRUNIESON - she also applied for free passage at the same time as her Application Number is 2639 Embarkation number is 1497 (The following numbers to George.) I will see if there is any further information next time I am at the library. Interesting that these girls father is said to be gentry yet they are applying for free passage.
Louisa's first husband John BUCKHURST was also on board the ship after applying also fro free travel. app no 2861 Embarkation number 1572
This couple were married at Holy Trinity 21 July 1839. His residence was Adelaide formerly of Havant hers Adelaide formerly St James.
No entry in BISA. I do not see her, her first or second husband in 1841 either. 2 births registered to husband no 2.
Cheers Kris
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I have looked at phone book entrties, there are 5 Henderson's in Bendigo and excess of 100 in Sth Aust, will do as I did some years back and sent out letters to see if any are family and if they have records.
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Freer, Stewart, Blair, Bruce, Wylie, Henderson, Nichols, Ward, Weddell, Waddell, Lear, Gruneison, Maitland, Freeman, Sawyers, Logan, Phillips, Whitely.
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