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Keith Sherwood
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Re: Zebulum Ayres
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 12 May 09 22:45 UTC (UK) »
Thanks for the gentle nudge, Gaie!
I'll have a careful perusal of those Bottisham PR's at the CCRO next time I'm up there - perhaps later this week...
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Re: Zebulum Ayres
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 12 May 09 22:56 UTC (UK) »
Thanks, Keith, you're a star!!

Kind regards
Gaie
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Re: Zebulum Ayres
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 12 May 09 23:12 UTC (UK) »
Gaie,
I haven't shone my torch on those vital PR's yet, so we'll have to see...
And while we're on thorny problems to solve, with "if I scratch your back..." kind of thing, can anyone offer any semblance of help with a briar patch I'm stuck fast in myself:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,380332.0.html
Off to bed now,
keith
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Re: Zebulum Ayres
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 16 May 09 09:23 UTC (UK) »
There was a very strong Baptist following in Bottisham and Lode in the late 1800's and it appears to have been common practice to name children with Old Testament Hebrew first names. Only a few IGI records include the independant churches at that time.

The Cambridgeshire FH Society are currently transcribing the independant church records for that county (May 2009 confirmation email).

Free BMD search (births, marriages & deaths) for any male with first name starting with "Zeb" between 1837-1924 in Cambridgeshire produced the following hits:

Deaths:
Jun 1848   
Fulcher    Zebulom         Wisbeach    14   136

Jun 1861   
Barrett    Zeblon         Linton    3b   320

Jun 1915 
Benham    Zebulun T    68    Cambridge    3b   586

Marriages:
Sep 1906   
Smith    Zebulan         Peterbro'    3b   487


Free BMD search for marriages between female AYRES and males whose first names begin with "Zeb" - NO HITS

I suspect that your Zebulum is still waiting to be found in the independant records but only if the birth registration fee was paid!

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Re: Zebulum Ayres
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 16 May 09 16:49 UTC (UK) »
Ally, According to my mother who was born Emily Hannah Ayres, Zebulon (lum) was a brother of her father's. He did not make it into any of the censuses, like her Aunt Ruth, who was b 1869, and died before the 1881 census. The family kept producing for over 20 years, the youngest known to me was James who was b1889, 21 years after his older brother my grandfather Samuel. Like you I suspect that Zeb. was registered in the Baptist records, but what's this you say about a  registration fee to be paid?
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Re: Zebulum Ayres
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 16 May 09 17:22 UTC (UK) »
Civil registration was compulsory from 1874, with fines for failure to register births. So irrespective of whether or not the family was non-conformist, if Zebulum was born after 1873 his birth should have been registered. They appear to have registered the births of all the children who appear in censuses, so it would be inconsistent if they failed to register Zebulum. Unless of course he's been horribly mistranscribed, but that would mean his death was also mistranscribed. Both Zeb* and Ayres. Unlikely

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
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Re: Zebulum Ayres
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 16 May 09 17:50 UTC (UK) »
I have gaps in the births from 1870-1873,then 1875-1879,1881,1883-4 and 1887-1888. I know of a total of 9 children including Zeb. i.e. Samuel,Ruth,Eli, Asher, Aaron, Absolum, Elizabeth and James.The mother Emily, nee Cornwell was b1850, and was therefore 39 when the youngest known James was born in 1889, so Zebulon could have been born as late as 1895 without being too improbable. I have been told they had 12 children, but the detail is a little vague. The family already spanned 2 generations and Elizabeth was more like a big sister to my mother than an Aunt, as the gap between the two families was so short.
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Re: Zebulum Ayres
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 16 May 09 19:46 UTC (UK) »
To try to establish how many children in this family had died I tried to find James Ayres (b1844) and Emily nee Cornwell (b1850) in the 1911 census. Found neither of them, so presume they had died unless someone can tell me differently.
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Re: Zebulum Ayres
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 16 May 09 19:52 UTC (UK) »
Must be slowing up, Gaie, hadn't replied to your posting, I apologise. You found them in 1911 and I couldn't, was there anything odd about the entry? My mother was quite definite that Zeb. was her father's brother. He had only two sisters, Ruth who died before she was 12, and Elizabeth (b1887) who married John Benstead. Nice idea though!
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Re: Zebulum Ayres
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 16 May 09 20:31 UTC (UK) »
Hi  Smiley

The odd thing was that they are listed as AYERS!

I've just spent the last ten minutes thinking I'd given you the wrong information - I couldn't re-find them.  In desperation I tried James (no surname) b1844 with Emily (no surname) in Newmarket, Cambridgeshire, and there they are.... Roll Eyes  I must have mistyped Ayres (added: into the 1911 search page) when I first looked on Sunday without realising.

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Gaie
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Re: Zebulum Ayres
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 17 May 09 03:28 UTC (UK) »
Re Registration of births.

I was aware that registration was compulsory but I refer you to a response I had from a fellow Ayres researcher by email earlier this year regarding failure to find an Brignell birth registration. His theory was that the father, Charles Brignell, had gone to register his daughter, Melinda Brignell's birth then ,

"  The story was that the registrar at Cambridge was an alcoholic, he pocketted the fee, told the person that they had made the registration and invited them to
leave."

Melinda Brignell  (1872-1953) married Samuel Ayres (1868- 1935)
If this is true and the registrar was conning parents that they had to pay a fee to register it makes you wonder if the same thing happened to others that might be missing off the registers during his employ.

I have also come across Ayres as Ayen and Ayriss in the census and parish records.
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Re: Zebulum Ayres
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 17 May 09 07:13 UTC (UK) »
But as Zebulum's death is also missing, and as the death cert would have been needed by the vicar before burying him, I don't think it can be explained away by the registrar pocketing the fee and doing nothing! Even if the registrar had conned a fee out of whoever was registering the birth/death, there's no reason he shouldn't have entered it in the records which was free of charge anyway

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: Zebulum Ayres
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 17 May 09 08:29 UTC (UK) »
Unless of course he was too drunk to make the entry! I believe as we have said previously that Zeb. was born and died between censuses. The spelling Ayers is quite common, and virtually interchangeable particularly in the early censuses, and indeed as late as some birth registrations in 1903.
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Re: Zebulum Ayres
« Reply #28 on: Monday 25 May 09 09:38 UTC (UK) »
Sorry, Everyone,
I realised I said I'd get up the CCRO a fortnight ago, but for one reason and another I've just not been able to...
But Zeb is definitely written in my notebook to pursue through any Nonconformist registers for Bottisham and nearby; along with some Whittlesey entries for a kind Rootschatter who spent a great deal of time and effort looking up details of a family for me in the Lincs record office last week.
I will get there soon, hopefully to end the speculation on the coming into the world and fate of this hard-to-trace member of your AYRES family, Redroger...
Regards, keith
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Re: Zebulum Ayres
« Reply #29 on: Monday 25 May 09 14:12 UTC (UK) »
Thanks for that Keith, The relevant dates are posted on this thread between 1870 and 1889.After 1889 it's still possible up to around 1898 when the mother would have been 48.Hope you find him!
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