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Topic: Family in Armagh, Antrim, Tyrone (Read 1721 times)
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hamiltonhunt
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Thank you so much Norh! I am so glad to know John and Eliza Mary's birthplaces.
I have been stuck at this point for a while. Had suspected Tyrone for John but had no idea for Eliza Mary so can narrow my search. Eliza's father's was Thomas LEVINGSTON/LIVINGSTON, teacher, so will ask Irish Local Studies about him as well. There seems to be a trend in the family....
I was surprised to see my ggf, William's name since he left in 1892 for Penang, Straits Settlements. He taught there until 1926, except for a stint during the war. Not sure why he was in Ireland at that point.
His sister, Katherine Agnes HAMILTON would be married to William John TODD in 1901, likely still in Milford. I understand she lived there, for most, if not all of her life.
A brother, Samuel HAMILTON's residence is listed as Keady, Armagh on a Ship's Passenger List in 1907 so he may show up on the 1901 Census there.
I am anxiously waiting for the Armagh 1911 Census to be released. The other sister on the census you found, Elizabeth D HAMILTON would be married to George Robert SMYTH/SMITH then, probably living in Milford or Portadown.
Thanks again and yes, I would really appreciate the printout, I will send you a PM with my address.
J.
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ARMSTRONG: Ireland, Ontario, Minnesota, Montana, British Columbia BUCKLEY: Ireland, Co Cork, Ontario DONOVAN: Ireland, England DOOLEY: Ireland DOWNEY: Ireland HAMILTON: Co Armagh, Co Tyrone, Penang, Straits Settlements, Somerset, Monmouthshire, Ontario, British Columbia MACKEY: Ireland, Ontario, British Columbia, Washington, Oregon McINTYRE: Penang, Straits Settlements, Middlesex SAWYER: Norfolk, Somerset, Gloucester, Canada
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hamiltonhunt
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Another family member, John George LIVINGSTONE, may show up in Armagh in 1901, possibly in Portadown.
He and a Jane ECCLES show up at John & Eliza Mary's wedding as witnesses, he may be Eliza's brother/uncle? A possible John George, Merchant and Emigration Agent died in Portadown in 1902. Unfortunately, I lost a lot of my electronic reference files which probably indicated my source. Am trying to recover those files.
J
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ARMSTRONG: Ireland, Ontario, Minnesota, Montana, British Columbia BUCKLEY: Ireland, Co Cork, Ontario DONOVAN: Ireland, England DOOLEY: Ireland DOWNEY: Ireland HAMILTON: Co Armagh, Co Tyrone, Penang, Straits Settlements, Somerset, Monmouthshire, Ontario, British Columbia MACKEY: Ireland, Ontario, British Columbia, Washington, Oregon McINTYRE: Penang, Straits Settlements, Middlesex SAWYER: Norfolk, Somerset, Gloucester, Canada
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hamiltonhunt
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Hi Rosemary
Yes, I saw there were several Thomases. Now, I have to determine who his wife was. Eliza Mary was listed as Presbyterian on the 1901 Census so at least that narrows it down a bit. Slowly but surely....
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ARMSTRONG: Ireland, Ontario, Minnesota, Montana, British Columbia BUCKLEY: Ireland, Co Cork, Ontario DONOVAN: Ireland, England DOOLEY: Ireland DOWNEY: Ireland HAMILTON: Co Armagh, Co Tyrone, Penang, Straits Settlements, Somerset, Monmouthshire, Ontario, British Columbia MACKEY: Ireland, Ontario, British Columbia, Washington, Oregon McINTYRE: Penang, Straits Settlements, Middlesex SAWYER: Norfolk, Somerset, Gloucester, Canada
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norh
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi again Jill,
I went to the cemetery and found your relatives grave. Its is a double grave with Todd adjoining. I see you have Todd surname in your family tree so copied the information also. Details as follow:-
HAMILTON
John Hamilton who died 27th June 1925 aged 87 years
His wife Elizabeth Mary died 19th December 1927 aged 92
Their grandson Robert Hamilton Todd L.D.S who died 24th August 1930 age 27
TODD
William John Todd, JP died 17 Nov 1938 aged 69 years
His wife Catherine died 7th Jan 1964 aged 92 years.
Another headstone was placed inside the Todd grave and on it was written:-
Gregory Reid died 28th Nov 1957
wife Winnifred died 18th June 1977
HAMILTON
A few graves along the same path was another Hamilton grave. Dont know if its a relative but i copied the details because of the name Thomas.
In loving memory of our dear mother
Margaret Hamilton died 27th Dec 1920
Also our dear father Thomas Hamilton who was interred Patterson USA.
Their daughter Sarah died 5th Feb 1933
Clara Hamilton died 22 March 1941 aged 67 years.
Hope this is very useful. Also Census in post to you today.
Noreen
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hamiltonhunt
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Oh Noreen, Thank you!! Roots Chat members are unbelievable. I so appreciate you going out of your way to help me in my quest, I am grinning ear to ear....
Can you tell me the name/location of the Cemetary? I don't know if it's possible to take some pictures, that would be a bonus. My goal is to get there in person, but in the meantime, I'll enjoy it in my mind's eye.
Yes, Catherine Agnes TODD is their daughter's married name, so you've helped fill in a few more bricks....
I don't know if the last Hamilton grouping is related until I know more about John's parents/siblings but I suspect they might be, it's just a matter of finding the pieces. Right now, all I know is that John's Father's name was David and he was a farmer, born in Tyrone. I don't have any information at all about his siblings.
John and his family were very close to the McCrum's of Milford. I understand there are some pictures of them in the Milford House Museum. I've been in touch with Stephen McManus from the Museum and am purchasing the book they produced on Milford. I am anxiously awaiting its arrival!
Have a great day, you have definitely made mine!!!
Jill
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ARMSTRONG: Ireland, Ontario, Minnesota, Montana, British Columbia BUCKLEY: Ireland, Co Cork, Ontario DONOVAN: Ireland, England DOOLEY: Ireland DOWNEY: Ireland HAMILTON: Co Armagh, Co Tyrone, Penang, Straits Settlements, Somerset, Monmouthshire, Ontario, British Columbia MACKEY: Ireland, Ontario, British Columbia, Washington, Oregon McINTYRE: Penang, Straits Settlements, Middlesex SAWYER: Norfolk, Somerset, Gloucester, Canada
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norh
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi Jill,
The cemetery is at Rock Rd just outside Armagh City. Its quite close to where i live so it was not a big deal to check it out for you. I did not think i would find the grave so easily therefore did not have the camera with me. However ill go back again, take photos and email them to you. When you come to Armagh ill drive you to the cemetery.
Im happy to have made your day a good one. If there are any other contacts you want me to follow up dont hesitae to ask.
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hamiltonhunt
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Hi Noreen
Does the cemetery have a name? I found a website that describes Armagh Walks and they don't name it.
http://www.mulelia.net/emigratie/armagh/city.html
If you don't mind, I'll give you locations and if you could take pictures, that would be great. I'll send a PM with a family pic. Not sure of date but their children likely travelled a distance: David Livingstone, London; William (my ggf), Penang; Thomas James Canterbury, Belfast; Elizabeth Davidson, Tynan?; and Samuel, Savannah, Georgia, USA. I think John George and Catherine Agnes were in Armagh City and Milford. I think William went to Penang ~1892, Samuel to USA ~1907 (from ship's lists). Although, it appears both travelled back, from time to time.
Stephen McManus from Manor House Museum tells me John & Eliza Mary lived on __ Hill Street. He knows which house. John was Schoolmaster at Milford National School. Eliza Mary was a teacher when married, later was post mistress out of the front parlour in their Hill Street home.
Catherine/ Katherine Agnes and William John TODD lived in Milford, location unknown. The cemetery indicates JP, Justice of Peace?, I thought he was a merchant/grocer although there were two possibilities so I may have the wrong one. Will have to backtrack to check. Katherine taught at Milford National School as well.
I think their daughter, Mary Winnifred and husband, Gregory REID lived in Milford as well. Not sure about their son, Robert Hamilton REID. I found reference to him as a dentist on a couple ship's lists, not sure where. Cemetery indicated LDS, maybe a Licensed Dental Surgeon? I think Winifred may have also been a teacher.
It is amazing, when my father died in Jan 2008, I didn't know anything. Mind you, I have been obsessed with finding out, at great cost, dollars, sleep, emotions, health etc......
Again, thanks for all your help.
J
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ARMSTRONG: Ireland, Ontario, Minnesota, Montana, British Columbia BUCKLEY: Ireland, Co Cork, Ontario DONOVAN: Ireland, England DOOLEY: Ireland DOWNEY: Ireland HAMILTON: Co Armagh, Co Tyrone, Penang, Straits Settlements, Somerset, Monmouthshire, Ontario, British Columbia MACKEY: Ireland, Ontario, British Columbia, Washington, Oregon McINTYRE: Penang, Straits Settlements, Middlesex SAWYER: Norfolk, Somerset, Gloucester, Canada
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norh
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Jill,
I dont know the cemetery name but ill make a few enquiries and get back to you. (Known locally as simply the Presbyterian Cemetery Rock RD) The web site you mentioned gives a perfect description of how to get to the cemetery where your relatives are buried.
Talk soon. Noreen
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norh
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Hi again,
William J Todd was a native of Castlederg, Co Tyrone and came to Milford at the request of RG Mc Crum. After marrying Catherine Hamilton they ran the corner shop Milford.
Noreen
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hamiltonhunt
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Thanks.
That was the alternate fellow I had found. I had his birthdate from Emerald Ancestors as 4 Mar 1869, Castleberg, Tyrone, his parents were Robert TODD and Jane STEWART. I no longer have a subscription but see from IFHF that they were likley married in 1865 in Tyrone. Will have to investigate that more. (Trying to watch the expenditures).
Have you seen anything that mentions what the initials JP stand for after his name on the gravestone? I did find that LDS means Licentiate in Dental Surgery, which is basically what I thought.
Passenger Ships Lists have been an incredible source on my family, it appears everyone travelled quite a bit. Between UK, Canada, US, Penang, South Africa, Australia, you name it. Catherine and William Todd's son took a trip around the world, that's how I found out he had studied dentistry. So far, I haven't found anyone still in Ireland. I sure hope there still is some family there.
J
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ARMSTRONG: Ireland, Ontario, Minnesota, Montana, British Columbia BUCKLEY: Ireland, Co Cork, Ontario DONOVAN: Ireland, England DOOLEY: Ireland DOWNEY: Ireland HAMILTON: Co Armagh, Co Tyrone, Penang, Straits Settlements, Somerset, Monmouthshire, Ontario, British Columbia MACKEY: Ireland, Ontario, British Columbia, Washington, Oregon McINTYRE: Penang, Straits Settlements, Middlesex SAWYER: Norfolk, Somerset, Gloucester, Canada
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TF13
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hi,
william todd j.p.(loughmacrody) was a magistrate who presided on the petty sessions court in carrickmore,tyrone, in 1910. there is also a william todd,loughmacrody, listed as a farmer so possibly they are the same person. i hope this helps a bit and doesn't confuse you instead 
tony
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