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Topic: Sands Norrieston and Port of Menteith (Read 1361 times)
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valr
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Just to say I have come across a document I prepared some time ago listing Sands burials in these parishes including modern ones.
Pls contact me if you would like a copy.
Val
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Scotland -McCall, King, Morrison, Thomson, Mcfarlane, Stewart, Dow, Jolly, Roberston, Christie
England - Roberts, Steel, Underhill, Brookes, Pope, Stump
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twm254
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love to have a copy as Sands and Dow are part of my family
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Malcolm,Whitelaw, Campbell, Watson, Smith, McGillivray, Sands, Dow, Muir, Russell, Prentice
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valr
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hi sent you a message dont know if you got it? Pls pm me your email address and I will send WHat I have
val
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Scotland -McCall, King, Morrison, Thomson, Mcfarlane, Stewart, Dow, Jolly, Roberston, Christie
England - Roberts, Steel, Underhill, Brookes, Pope, Stump
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Chevalier
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Val:
I would like to continue our discussions about the Sands family in Port of Menteith. Please write to me directly.
Thanks,
Terrance
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Clackmannanshire: Gibson, Kilgour, Stewart
Cumberland: Burch, Readhead
Devon: Dement
Dorset: Tennis/Dennis later Tennison
Dunbartonshire: M'Farlane
Glamorgan: Davies, Davis, Hughes, Jenkins, Lewis, Pugh, Williams
London: Gresham, Hensley
Perthshire: Buchanan, Campbell, Clark, Ferguson, Fisher, King, M'Ewan, M'Farlane, M'Gregor, M'Intyre, M'Laren, M'Nab, M'Queen, M'Vourigh, Sands, Simmie, Sinclair, Stewart, Walker
Stirlingshire: M'Farlane, M'Kendrick, M'Laughlan, M'Lay, M'Nicol, Miller
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twm254
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hi Val,
thanks for your reply, there is a possibility we have a connection. The Dows and Sands are great-great grandparents of mine. The oldest Dows I have traced are Archibald and Margaret who were wed sometime around 1818. They had a son Archibald who married Jane Sands in 1842. To the best of my knowledge they had six kids - Archibald, Robert, Margaret, Alexander, Jane and William. Archibald married AgnesGraham in 1871, Robert wd Elizabeth muir also in 1871 and William married Catherine Stewart in 1879.
The Sands go back a bit further. Robert wed Jean McLay in 1772 and I have traced 7 offspring - John, David, James, Jean, Robert, William and David. Robert married Margaret McQueen in 1812, William and Margaret Kennedy got together that same year. Robert and Margaret are my direct line. I have traced 9 kids - Janet, Robert, Archibald, Jane (my direct link), Robert (again), Mary, Margaret, Helen and James.
All of the above are from the maternal side of my family but I noticed that you also include the jolly family in your list. On my paternal side there are Jollys who hail from Kincardine. My grandmother married twice, her first husband Alexander Jolly was killed in 1918 during WW1. His parents were Robert Walker Jolly and Janr Douglas Annand who wed in Arbuthnot in 1879 and went on to have 8 children. Robert's parents were David and Isabella Stephen Gordon who had 9 kids.
It would be interesting to know if we are related in some
way. I reside in Glasgow and my e-mail is (*)
Tommy
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Chevalier
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Hello!
I see that you are descended from Robert Sands and his wife Margaret MacQueen, so am I. Their eldest child, Janet, was my thrice-great-grandmother. I have collected a large amount of data on the Sands family in Port of Menteith Parish which I shall be glad to share with you.
Hope to hear from you.
Sincerely,
Terrance
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Clackmannanshire: Gibson, Kilgour, Stewart
Cumberland: Burch, Readhead
Devon: Dement
Dorset: Tennis/Dennis later Tennison
Dunbartonshire: M'Farlane
Glamorgan: Davies, Davis, Hughes, Jenkins, Lewis, Pugh, Williams
London: Gresham, Hensley
Perthshire: Buchanan, Campbell, Clark, Ferguson, Fisher, King, M'Ewan, M'Farlane, M'Gregor, M'Intyre, M'Laren, M'Nab, M'Queen, M'Vourigh, Sands, Simmie, Sinclair, Stewart, Walker
Stirlingshire: M'Farlane, M'Kendrick, M'Laughlan, M'Lay, M'Nicol, Miller
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twm254
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Hello Terrance,
Thanks for making contact, it's nice to know that there are other members of the family out there, no matter how distant, are sharing a common purpose. I know that your thrice great grandmother married John McFarlane in 1835 and that Mary married John McGregor in 1847. My link comes through Janet Sands marrying Archibald A Dow at Port of Menteith on 6th February 1842. He died on 21st April 1888, she sometime after 1881.
To concentrate on my lineage for the moment, their son Robert, who was born at POM on11th December 1845, married Elizabeth Muir on 17th November 1871 in Airdrie. She was born there on 27th August 1847 dying there also on 8th August 1847. Robert lived to a ripe old age dying sometime after May 1942. Their daughter Margaret Harvie Dow was born in Airdrie on 25th September 1872. She married Thomas Whitelaw in Glasgow on 15th January 1892 and they had one son Thomas Whitelaw also born in Airdrie on 16th November 1892. Thomas senior died of cancer on3rd June 1897 while Margaret survived until 29th October 1953 when she died in Campbeltown. Their son Thomas married Mary McKenzie Campbell in Glasgow on 30th January 1920. She was born there on 4th June 1892 and survived her husband who was killed in action in Malta on 26th April 1942. They had 3 children the eldest, my mother Elizabeth Knox Smith Whitelaw was born on 11th December 1920 and died in June 1999. Her husband was John Malcolm born in Glasgow on 20th January 1920. They wed on 26th June 1942 and John died on 26th July 1983. They had 3 kids, I was the eldest of them, born on 4th April 1944. You have my e-mail, perhaps I could have yours and we could correspond further.
Yours
Tommy
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Chevalier
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Thank you for your detailed message by which I see that we are 5th cousins. I shall write to you directly as you suggested.
Your cousin,
Terrance
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Clackmannanshire: Gibson, Kilgour, Stewart
Cumberland: Burch, Readhead
Devon: Dement
Dorset: Tennis/Dennis later Tennison
Dunbartonshire: M'Farlane
Glamorgan: Davies, Davis, Hughes, Jenkins, Lewis, Pugh, Williams
London: Gresham, Hensley
Perthshire: Buchanan, Campbell, Clark, Ferguson, Fisher, King, M'Ewan, M'Farlane, M'Gregor, M'Intyre, M'Laren, M'Nab, M'Queen, M'Vourigh, Sands, Simmie, Sinclair, Stewart, Walker
Stirlingshire: M'Farlane, M'Kendrick, M'Laughlan, M'Lay, M'Nicol, Miller
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Doune
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Terrance, :-[wehave corresponded over the years, unfortunately I have lost your address  We do have similar interests, I have not been monitoring the Perth list for some time now, my mess is located at its new home http://buchananstewart.tribalpages.com have a new server the old msg no longer exists
Regards Doun
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Chevalier
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Thank you for the link to your new website! I glanced at it quickly to see what you had on the Buchanans of Leny and I shall go back to study it in detail soon. I will send you my e-mail address privately.
Thanks again,
Terrance
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Clackmannanshire: Gibson, Kilgour, Stewart
Cumberland: Burch, Readhead
Devon: Dement
Dorset: Tennis/Dennis later Tennison
Dunbartonshire: M'Farlane
Glamorgan: Davies, Davis, Hughes, Jenkins, Lewis, Pugh, Williams
London: Gresham, Hensley
Perthshire: Buchanan, Campbell, Clark, Ferguson, Fisher, King, M'Ewan, M'Farlane, M'Gregor, M'Intyre, M'Laren, M'Nab, M'Queen, M'Vourigh, Sands, Simmie, Sinclair, Stewart, Walker
Stirlingshire: M'Farlane, M'Kendrick, M'Laughlan, M'Lay, M'Nicol, Miller
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valr
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Hi Malcolm
What is Archibalds d.o.b? May be one of "mine" - I have Dow ancestors buried in Kincardine in Menteith cemetery. I was there and at Norrieston cemetery on Friday - showing a Canadian cousin the sights! The names you mention are ringing bells with me - suspect I may have seen their stone - do you know where they are buried?
Val
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valr
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love to have a copy as Sands and Dow are part of my family
Tommy did I ever send you this? Sorry I cant remember!
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Chevalier
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I have this Jean/Jane Sands in the 23rd generation of my manuscript anent the descendants of the barons of Arrochar/chiefs of clan Macfarlane.
She married Archibald Alexander Dow (born 9 June 1819) son of Lieut. Archibald Dow and his wife Margaret whose surname I do not know.
I am in a rush to get out the door and cannot go into her ancestry at the moment but you can see it on my website.
Terrance
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Clackmannanshire: Gibson, Kilgour, Stewart
Cumberland: Burch, Readhead
Devon: Dement
Dorset: Tennis/Dennis later Tennison
Dunbartonshire: M'Farlane
Glamorgan: Davies, Davis, Hughes, Jenkins, Lewis, Pugh, Williams
London: Gresham, Hensley
Perthshire: Buchanan, Campbell, Clark, Ferguson, Fisher, King, M'Ewan, M'Farlane, M'Gregor, M'Intyre, M'Laren, M'Nab, M'Queen, M'Vourigh, Sands, Simmie, Sinclair, Stewart, Walker
Stirlingshire: M'Farlane, M'Kendrick, M'Laughlan, M'Lay, M'Nicol, Miller
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Chevalier
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I posted what little I know of Archibald Alexander Dow's ancestry in my previous message today. I'll post his wife's ancestry here below.
1. Jean Sands, born 13 March 1818, Arnvicar, Port of Menteith Parish, alive 1881 census. (Her eldest sister, Janet Sands, Lady Glenhead, was my thrice-great-grandmother.) [Daugther of 2 & 3.]
2. Robert Sands, bapt. 3 April 1780, Arnvicar, died there 8 April 1852. [Son of 4 & 5.]
md. 31 January 1812, Kilmadock Parish
3. Margaret MacQueen, bapt. 16 December 1787, Ballavourisht, Kilmadock Parish, died 18 May 1879, Blarnabord, Drymen Parish, Stirlingshire. [Daughter of 6 & 7.]
4. Robert Sands, bapt. 9 January 1737, Arnvicar. [Son of 8 & 9.]
md. 7 December 1772
5. Jean MacLay, born circa 1755, Kepculloch, Drymen Parish. [Daughter of 10 & 11.]
6. Archibald MacQueen, bapt. 19 July 1752, Ballavourisht. [Son of 12 & 13.]
md.
7. Janet MacGregor, bapt. 9 September 1764, Milntoun of Cambus Burn, Kilmadock Parish. [Daughter of 14 & 15.]
8. John Sands, bapt. 17 February 1706, Arnvicar, died there before 1759. [Son of 16 & 17.]
md.
9. Jean Fisher, bapt. 9 September 1711, Miln of Ruskie, Port of Menteith Parish. [Daughter of 18 & 19.]
10. David MacLay, born circa 1710, Kepculloch, died before 21 November 1772.
md. 2nd
11. Jean Miller, born circa 1725.
12. John MacQueen, born circa 1720, Kilmadock Parish.
md.
13. Janet Stewart, born circa 1720, Annat, Kilmadock Parish
14. John MacGregor, born 1734, Milntoun of Cambus Burn, alive 1787 when he voted for a new clan chief. [Son 28 & 29.]
md.
15. Elizabeth King, bapt. 22 August 1736, Kilmadock Parish. [Daughter of 30 & 31.]
16. James Sands, an Elder of Port of Menteith Parish Kirk Session, born circa 1675, Port of Menteith Parish, alive 22 January 1736. [Son of 32 & 33.]
md. 2nd (her sister, Marion, was his 1st wife)
17. Jean Simmie, born circa 1685. [Daughter of 34 & 35.]
18. John Fisher, an Elder & Kirk Session Clerk of Port of Menteith Parish, alive 1735.
md.
19. Mary Buchanan, born circa 1680, Callander Parish.
20 through 27 unknown.
28. Patrick/Peter MacGregor, born circa 1700, (Balquidder Parish?) Perthshire. [Son of 56 & 57.]
md.
29. Janet Ferguson, born circa 1710, Kilmadock Parish.
30. John King, bapt. 7 July 1695, Kilmadock Parish. [Son of 60 & 61.]
md.
31. Katherine Buchanan, born circa 1715, Perthshire.
32. Robert Sands, an Elder of Port of Menteith Parish Kirk Session, born circa 1650, alive 4 June 1699.
md.
33. Anna [surname?], born circa 1655.
34. John Simmie, born circa 1650.
md.
35. Jennell MacFarlane, born circa 1660.
36 through 55 unknown.
56. Patrick/Peter MacGregor, born circa 1670, (Balquidder Parish?) Perthshire. (Y-DNA testing of his direct male line descendants has proved that he was a cadet of the chiefs of clan Macgregor.)
md.
57. [?]
58 & 59 unknown.
60. Andrew King, born circa 1670, Kilmadock Parish.
md.
61. Janet Ferguson, bapt. 20 March 1679, Kilmadock Parish. [Daughter of 122 & 123.]
62 through 121 unknown.
122. John Ferguson, born 1651, Kilmadock Parish. [Son of 244 & 245.]
md.
123. Margaret Stewart, born circa 1660, Kilmadock Parish.
124 through 243 unknown.
244. Patrick Ferguson, born circa 1625, Kilmadock Parish.
md.
245. [?]
That is as much as I can do without digging files out of the attic, hope it helps. I would be glad to hear from anyone who can add to any of these lines for me.
Terrance
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Clackmannanshire: Gibson, Kilgour, Stewart
Cumberland: Burch, Readhead
Devon: Dement
Dorset: Tennis/Dennis later Tennison
Dunbartonshire: M'Farlane
Glamorgan: Davies, Davis, Hughes, Jenkins, Lewis, Pugh, Williams
London: Gresham, Hensley
Perthshire: Buchanan, Campbell, Clark, Ferguson, Fisher, King, M'Ewan, M'Farlane, M'Gregor, M'Intyre, M'Laren, M'Nab, M'Queen, M'Vourigh, Sands, Simmie, Sinclair, Stewart, Walker
Stirlingshire: M'Farlane, M'Kendrick, M'Laughlan, M'Lay, M'Nicol, Miller
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