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Topic: Any hilditches out there.. I've hit the wall!!! (Read 792 times)
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NEL
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Many Hilditches seem to originate Betley, Audley, Barthomley. So crossing the Staffs Cheshire border, but I need some advice please......
Thomas Hilditch d. 4/5/1822 in his 67th year
Elizabeth widow of said Thomas d 3/12/1846 aged 92 years
Come hither mortal man and cast an eye
read here and know thy doom it is to die
Go thou thy way consider that thou must
One day like me be turned to dust
Thomas is buried in St James Audley with his wife and several other relatives whose graves are all close by. They were all born Audley, but I have no christening for him. He was born c 1755 according to his grave and he was possibly the publican of The Shoulder of Mutton pub in Audley where the Butchers Arms now stands. His son Samuel was the publican of The Butchers Arms from about 1834.
I have checked the fiche in SoT archives and couldn't find him, not surprising as they are sometimes so difficut to read, but also could not find him in the transcripts of baptisms from the local family history society. Any ideas of my next move? trying to find his parents, I need to get back one generation and then I may have links with another Hilditch researcher!! So frustrated!!!!!
I thought I would try here, as I said the Hilditches seem proliferate in this triangle that crosses the county borders. Any help appreciated or help I may give to anyone, cheers Nel
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celia
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Hello Nell
I have just looked in the Gazeteer Newspaper
http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/AdvancedSearch.aspx?GeoType=London (this is from my favorites and it gets me there  )
Typing in Thomas Hilditch brings up 4 pages some years to early but you never know. Samuel brings up 4 hits.You might find some snippits 
Celia
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celia
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And on the I.G.I there are 3 christening for a Thomas Hilditch 1775/6/7 in Gawsworth ches, N/sastle staffs/ Wynbury Ches extracted ones
Celia
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NEL
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Celia you're a gem....... there is no IGI for Thomas c. 1755 which is likely, although John and Helen baptised their son Thomas at St James Audley in 1762 so could this be possible, as he would have been 7yrs of age??? But no other baptisms for John and Helen in Audley, so made me wonder about Cheshire??? But as for the Gazettes, I have about 15 references to the Hilditches, probate, bankrupts etc thank you so much. All these little details weave a bigger picture and have given me other leads, but unfortunately none for Thomas c 1755 but thanks again
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pgh570
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NEL
This is part of my family tree - so very interesting !
Like you I am a bit bogged down at this point.
The dates/ ages etc for widow Elizabeth look perfect to be Elizabeth Whalley/ Walley.
However, I agree with your questions about Thomas - I have the 1762 christening but as you say he would have have been 7 at the time - possible, it would not create and date conflicts and would be a better age match for Elizabeth.
Both Thomas' siblings Ann 1754 and John 1756 seem to have been christened shortly after birth - while Thomas would fit in the gap it does seem a bit odd. To the best of my knowledge the parents were John Hilditch of New Springs, Audley (Chr 16 Mar 1720) and Ellen. From 1756 to 1762 the Audley Suit Rolls show them as living in Knowle End, Audley.
I have Thomas as a Butcher in 1780 - probably the butcher of the "Butcher's Arms", as you say run by his son Samuel but not until sometime after 1841. While he lived in The Butcher's Arms then he is shown as being a cooper.
Still a bit of a puzzle.
Paul H
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NEL
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Hi Paul, thanks for the info. I looked further afield for baptisms, finding siblings John and Ann Christened at Betley, but was doubtful as to Thomas being related due to being christened later and at St James. May I ask what the Audley suit rolls are ? ( I've never been so far back before) and how can I view them. It would seem I was on the right lines, though. There is a burial for Ellen ( Helen) at Betley May 10th 1774 wife of John Hilditch of Audley, none listed for John. Could I also ask where John 1720 was christened. If I may help in any way with your search, please ask, Helen, oh and many, many thanks
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NEL
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Paul, I've found John Hilditch c. March 1720 St James Audley, possible siblings Hannah c. 1720, Hannah c 1722 ( Father John) Mary c 1724, Elizabeth c 1728 and Margaret c 1726 ( parents John and Margaret)
John Hilditch m Margaret Heath 7/1/1719 at St James
I can now check this out at the next meeting of the history society, thanks again, Helen
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pgh570
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Helen, much of this information came from the Audley FHS (easy to google). They have access to a large resource of documents - nothing on line, and they do not do research for other people - the records are open for research once/twice a month I seem to remember.
Seemingly Audley was a long skinny village so if you lived in certain parts the Church at Betley was actually closer so that is not necessarily a contradiction. Before this date most of the Hilditch records seem to be from Betley (going back to the 1500's) - these are available online. Personally I believe that when I make a link that will be where I'm headed.
No expert but I believe the Suit Rolls are the legal record - so court cases, but also grants of tenancy, rents paid, etc etc.
Be aware that there are 3/4 Thomas Hilditches in the area at the time - for instance the Thomas Hilditch = Sarah Green line in an entirely different branch, although no doubt linked if you go back far enough.
Let me muse over your info.
Plenty of records coming forward if they are of any use.
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NEL
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Paul there does seem to be a lot of confusion re Thomas Hilditch from Audley. I was aware that there were two christened within a year of each other. Sadly I am from the Thomas and Sarah Green line! Despite cross referencing IGI's, census info and such I seemed to have made the assumption that my Thomas' parents were Thomas and Elizabeth, I now find that they are possibly William and Amy. I am a member of the society, so will be at the next research evening trying to sort this out!!! As you say there will be a link somewhere. In 1841 Thomas ( Harriot) was a school master and the other one was a butcher ( Sarah), both living Audley. It just shows that you need to see the original documents. Back to the drawing board, although we now haven't a link as yet, it would be good to keep in touch, good luck in your search. Helen
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R A B
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Hello
I'm not sure I can add much new information to what you have already but I am researching the same Hilditch family from Audley. Thomas Hilditch and Elizabeth Walley are part of my wife's family tree. Has anyone found any wills for the family? They sometimes confirm links across several generations, if you are lucky. I have tried The National Archives but there is only one will for Hilditch at Audley and it doesn't help. Where else could I look?
Richard
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celia
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Seeing that this topic still going I thought I would put this on,just one of 2000 Hilditch mentioned various reports in the Gail's newpapers.
Reports from Wales London Liverpool Cheshire,Sandbach in Cheshire & Ireland.
Jackson Oxford Journal 5/7/1823
Marriage of the Rev: Thomas Hodges of Kirmincham lodge,Staffordshire to Mary Daughter of Thomas Hilditch of Blakden in Cheshire.
No date given for the marriage which seems to have been the norm in the early 1800
Celia
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NEL
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Still trawling, and driving me nuts, so many Hilditches Audley, Betley, into Cheshire... but I think I may have found the link for Audley anyway, but need help my brain is frying..... I have been to Audley library and copied every reference to Hilditch, Holditch, Hildiche etc from 1538-1712, trawled IgI's and tried to correlate them! for this I need another brain, anyone in Staffs fancy a get together!!! I have been scrawling round the floor with papers notes, family charts etc to crack this. My thoughts are most Hilditchs descend from Johanis Hildichce 1545. His son Willmus christened 1576, Audley, married Margareta Whytoughe and possibly Ellena Lawton, had ? 15 children all christenings listed. The rest seem to descend from John 1610, Rich 1613 William 1617 and Rad/Rand 1622 or 1626. John 1610 seems to be the main man. 3 Johns born c 1671-1687, 3 Williams and so on.leading to Joseph b 1678 who may have had 3 sons Joseph John and Thomas, if this is so then the Thomas Hilditch of Audley born c 1788 and 1787 will be ... I add possibly 3rd cousins, I need help to try and make sense of all this
Nel
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glad you found some snippits 
