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girdlese
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1891 Census lookup for Amy
« on: Tuesday 17 February 09 16:54 UTC (UK) »

Hello

I am trying to find an 1891 census look up for my gt gt grandmother


Amy Genesis was born Mar 1868 at 7 Crown Street, Soho, Middlesex, England
she is shown on the 71 and 81 census with her parents Henry John and Eliza Jane Genesis.

In April 1885 Amy married William wakefield, however the marriage was declared not legal in August 1885 as William was still married to his previous wife and was convicted of bigamy.

I very much doubt that Amy would have carried on using the name after this. 

Amy had 2 sons in 1888 and 1889 thy were called Henry James and George Frederick. I am led to believe that their father was James Mcguire.  Amy never married this man and she was not with him by the time she had her 3rd son Elijah Genesis Girdlestone to Elijah Girdlestone who she also never appears to have married.

I have found her on the 1901 census with elijah and a number of children but cannot find any trace in 1891.

Any pointers would be much appreciated.

Emma
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Girdlestone - Norfolk & North East
Bertie - Newcastle & Scotland
Biggs - London
Genesis - London
Collingwood - Yorkshire
Stevens - Durham, Yorkshire, Wiltshire
Taylor - Gateshead, Staffordshire
Henderson - Gateshead & Scotland
Christopher - Durham
nigelrixson
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Re: 1891 Census lookup for Amy
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 17 February 09 17:45 UTC (UK) »

Hi,
Do you have any idea when Amy died, and if so under which name?

Cheers
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girdlese
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Re: 1891 Census lookup for Amy
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 17 February 09 17:46 UTC (UK) »

Yes she died in 1941 in Sunderland and she was using the name Girdlestone, I have the death cert.
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Girdlestone - Norfolk & North East
Bertie - Newcastle & Scotland
Biggs - London
Genesis - London
Collingwood - Yorkshire
Stevens - Durham, Yorkshire, Wiltshire
Taylor - Gateshead, Staffordshire
Henderson - Gateshead & Scotland
Christopher - Durham
nigelrixson
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Re: 1891 Census lookup for Amy
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 17 February 09 21:15 UTC (UK) »

Hi,
Well that's something else to go on.

Working on the assumtion that they were still in the London area around the turn of the century, I've looked through the London, Middlesex and Surrey censuses for 1891 and 1901 working on name (ie Amy) and age plus/minus 5 years.

Absolutely nothing.

Then I went back and looked at the 1881C just to check where the children were born (All chelsea, of course) and starting flicking through the London 1891C looking for Minnies. Right next to one, I found Henry John, with Elizabeth and Henry F Genesis at 34 Kessel St, Chelsea (St Lukes) RG12/60/37 could be folio no. 34 or 84 but... none of the other children are there. The Miinie was another surname.

Given that the other children would have been aged between 11 and 23, with Amy elsewhere, I would imagine that they wouldn't have been too far away (Just a guess) but.... I can't find anything.

I can only conclude that they are there, just mistranscribed. As there are something like 140 odd families indexed from the 1881C under the surname 'Ditto', I guess they could be anywhere.
However, as the parents are still in Chelsea, they must be nearby, given their ages.

I'll look again tomorrow concentrating on St Lukes.
I hope that helps
Cheers
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Re: 1891 Census lookup for Amy
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 17 February 09 22:29 UTC (UK) »

Hi,
Given that Amy was in Chelsea on the 1881C, gave birth to Henry James in Chelsea in 1889 and to Elijah Genesis (Girdlestone) in 1896 in Wandsworth, she has to be in London on the 1891C.

I'll take another look tomorrow
Cheers for now
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nigelrixson
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Re: 1891 Census lookup for Amy
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 18 February 09 11:22 UTC (UK) »

Well. I've had another look and draw another complete blank. Sorry. I hope that somebody else will pick this up for you.

Having drawn a blank on Amy and sons Henry James and Geortge Frederick, I had a look this morning for any trace of Alfred R, Frederick J and Minnie (Amys siblings). Just using the christian name and age (ie Minnie aged 10 +/- 5 yrs, throws up 116 pages). Having been through those, it's still a blank.

There aren't even any listings for 'Genesis', even though Henry J and Eliza Jane are at Keppel St, Chelsea.

So, my twopenniesworth is that they have been totally mistranscribed. It could be for example that Alfred, Frederick and Minnie are with a neighbour or grandoarents and have been included in that family's listing under their surname.

I do hope that somebody else picks this up for you.
Oh, by the way, my access to the censuses is through the genealogist.

Good luck
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girdlese
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Re: 1891 Census lookup for Amy
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 18 February 09 11:39 UTC (UK) »

Thank you so much for having a look, at least it's not just me who can't find them.  I'll keep looking.

Emma
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Girdlestone - Norfolk & North East
Bertie - Newcastle & Scotland
Biggs - London
Genesis - London
Collingwood - Yorkshire
Stevens - Durham, Yorkshire, Wiltshire
Taylor - Gateshead, Staffordshire
Henderson - Gateshead & Scotland
Christopher - Durham
girdlese
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Re: 1891 Census lookup for Amy
« Reply #7 on: Monday 21 September 09 17:41 UTC (UK) »

Thought I'd post a message to bring this one to the top again, just in case a fesh pair of eyes might be able to find Amy.

I have still had no luck finding Amy and her two sons, Henry James and George Frederick.

Amy will be going by the surname of Genesis, Wakefield or Mcguire, or that is what I am hoping.

Just a thought, she could be in the workhouse and sometimes they just used initials.

Thanks in Advance

Emma

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Girdlestone - Norfolk & North East
Bertie - Newcastle & Scotland
Biggs - London
Genesis - London
Collingwood - Yorkshire
Stevens - Durham, Yorkshire, Wiltshire
Taylor - Gateshead, Staffordshire
Henderson - Gateshead & Scotland
Christopher - Durham
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