Gadget
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Hi and welcome 
I'll PM you my e-mail.
See the other thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,356098.0.html
Also - message for showart - I checked my records and Georgina was b. 26 Feb 1826 in Balmaclellan. I think they crossed over in June 1826 - info buried somewhere. I found it online in a listing from an early book on immigrants to Canada but although I've just searched on the same website, I can't find it 
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CanadianStoddart
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As a new member I don't have the ability yet to retrieve personal messages.
I can however, continue a dialogue on this forum about the Burgess family of Ontario.
There is a pioneer cemetery in Ontario called, Chinguacousy Township, E Side of Torbram Rd, N of Steeles Ave . Gravestones were transcribed in 1974 before they were removed and replaced by a plaque.
Names recorded are: Burgess, Burkholder, Cunnington, Ewing, Lindsay, Mercer, Ramage, Stoddart, and Willocox.
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CanadianStoddart
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The cemetery cited was called the Grahamsville Old Methodist Cemetery and was located on Lot 2 Concession 6 East. Chingaucousy Twp., Peel County, Ontario.
Today all there is is a plaque with the names of those recorded on the original stones. The original stones were supposedly removed by the city of Brampton, Ontario and stored but several Stoddart descendants have tried for two decades to locate them through the city of Brampton without success.
Presumaby the bones of those interred remain. As of ten years ago when I visited the site nothing had been built over them but that event may be inevitable. Land prices in the area are skyrocketing.
This is on the edge of the city of Toronto where little vacant land remains.
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Gadget
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Hello again
I received your e-mail and will send you some detailed info over the next few days. This is mainly from paper files so I'll need to type it up.
The names Ramage, Ewing and Stoddard are certainly familiar.
I'm not clear whether you are a descendant of John Burgess or of the Stoddards. I don't have as much info on the non-Burgess families - only the 'married in' ones but I do have some dates, etc.
I am descended from John' snr's brother James who remained in the UK. Much of my early information on the Canadian Burgesses came from John's descendants in Canada which I've checked for accuracy over the last few years.
Gadget
PS - now you've posted 3 times, you'll be able to PM me on this site as well.
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CanadianStoddart
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HI Gadget,
I am a descendant of the Stoddarts but my ggg grandfather John Stoddart's sister was married to John Burgess b. 1816, the brother of your James b. 1819.
All of the data I have found so far on him (John b. 1816) shows his wife as being Mary Ramage and doesn't note her maiden name of Stoddart. She was a widow of James Ramage when she married John Burgess.
There is a Burgess researcher in Edmonton, Alberta who had posted some information years ago on my line of Burgesses but I have been unable to locate a current email address for him.
Your James Burgess (wife Jane Murray Ramage) named a daughter Janet Padkin Burgess. My John Burgess (wife Mary Stoddart Ramage) also named a daughter Janet Padkin Burgess.
The Burgess/Ramage connection is intriguing. I would like to know who Jane Murray Ramage's parents were.
Margaret
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Gadget
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Ummmm. I think there's a few crossed wires. my James was b.c. 1779 and married Jean Carson in Nov 1807. His brother was John Burgess b.c. 1784 who married Jean McDougall (variations). John and Jean emigrated to Canada in 1826. My James stayed in Kirkcudbrightshire and moved to Wales in 1833.
The Edmonton researcher is a long standing contact, the descendant of John (b.c. 1784). With more information becoming available, I've since found that some of her information on a few of the Canadian descendants is incorrect. I've not been in touch for a while. I think they moved on to research another line.
I'll see what I have about Jane Murray Ramage but i don't think I have a great deal.
Regards
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CanadianStoddart
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Yes, sorry, I jumped a generation. So many Johns and James names!
I meant to speak of the Burgess/McDougal clan and the two brothers of that marriage, James and John.
Anything you might have on the Ramage connection would be appreciated.
Thanks Gadget.
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Gadget
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It will have to come in bits and pieces, I'm afraid.
First, I have John Burgess (b.1816, Kells - 13 July 1886, Richview, peel Co) marrying Mary Ramage (b.1808, Scotland - 16 Nov 1881, Toronto, Peel Co).
They married by licence on 16 March 1841 at St Andrews Church, Toronto. Mary was a widow, of Gore. They had two children - John (1841-1843) and Janet padkin (1845-1849)
That seems to be all I have on Mary. I wonder if it's worth you putting up a separate query on the Canadian Board to see if anyone can find out about Mary's previous husband.
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Gadget
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Have you got Mary's parents as Philip Stodart and Janet Padkin?
If there is a connection between her and Jane, it might be worth checking up on this pair.
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CanadianStoddart
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I have Mary Stoddart's parents as James and Elizabeth (?) but that is speculation. Mary Stoddart and my ancestor John Stoddart are presumed to be sibblings because they are buried in the same very small cemetery and originated in the same area of Scotland. They may have been cousins which would give them different parents.
Philip Stoddart and Janet Padkin would be a logical option for Mary. Do you have anthing on that couple?
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Gadget
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Just looking them up - if she was b. Wiston and Roberton in 1802 (bpt 16 Dec) then they are her parents (on SP from the OPRs) This fits with her age at death.
They have the following daughters b. W & R from IGI:
1797 - Janet
1799 - Helen
1802 - Mary
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Gadget
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What date of birth do you have for John Stoddart?
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CanadianStoddart
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John was born Feb 14 1792 Midlothian. Married 29 April 1811 Margaret Lindsay at St. Cuthberts, Edinburgh. He died July 9 1854 in Toronto Township, Ontario.
That info on Mary is huge for me and my fellow Stoddart family researchers. We had assumed John and Mary were siblings. Thank you so much.
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Gadget
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Nothing at all showing on SP for the birth/baptism in Midlothian for John in 1792. What was your source? And who do you have as his parents?
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