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Topic: Burgess-Spalding - a puzzle/condundrum (Read 2208 times)
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Gadget
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Incidentally, Scatza, do you have the link of the reference to Mrs Samuel Spalding, please?
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Scatza
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Gadget,
I'm not sure if the mean the Spaldings, or Samuel Spalding Burgess married to Euphemia Coltart and then possibly Grace? If you mean the latter, then I was referring to what you posted re him possibly being a staymaker, and also what you posted regarding a possible death for him. If you mean Euphemia Coltart Burgess in Canada (Mrs. Samuel Burgess as she is referred to), then it was the 1850/51? census for New Brunswick. Samuel and Euphemia are also named as the parents of one of their children who married in Canada in the marriage registration ..... can't remember offhand which one, but if you mean any of these let me know and I'll dig deeper ....
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McMurrie/McMurray, McFegan, McClune, Coltart, Shaw, McLean - Kirkcudbright; McMurray, Simpson, Adams, Mussett South Africa
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Gadget
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But they didn't go to New Brunswick as far as I know - they went to stay with John in Toronto and then to William's in Bruce County. . I suppose they could have been there temporarily after the crossing.
My cousins in Canada have sent me the info from Ontario.
are you sure that you've got the correct family?
I'll go check it out - I do have full access to Ancestry.
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Gadget
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Just checked - it was Bentick, Grey County, Ontario (West)
It is the correct family.
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Gadget
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Yes - cousins sent me the details of that about 3-4 years ago. I hadn't seen the image before though.
I'm trying to trace her in-laws now.
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showart
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Good morning, Gadget,
This is my first posting so be gentle if I don't follow the myriad instructions, warnings and procedures of this forum.
I can't help push your search beyond the Spalding-Burgess connection, but I have been doing some research recently for a friend whose relatives are descendants of the above couple.
John BURGESS (b. abt. 1784, Kirkcudbrightshire, d. 1871-76, Peel County, Ontario, Canada) and his wife Jean /Jane McDOUGALL (b. abt. 1791, Scotland, d. March 7, 1879, Peel County, Ontario) are my friend's connections.
It's possible I have access to some morsel that might be of use to you (and maybe vice versa). Would you prefer to follow up on this offline, or is it required to keep everything public?
Looking forward to your reply.
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Gadget
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Hi showart 
Are they Canadian by any chance?
I've had contact with some of John and Jean's descendants in Canada for a 5 or so years now - in Hamilton and in Alberta. They passed on quite a few letters.
You can't mention any living people by name on the site or give your e-mail.
The best thing is to make a couple more posts on this thread and then you can send me a Personal Message (PM)
Regards
Gadget
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showart
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Hi Gadget,
Thank you for your reply, and thanks for the heads-up on having to post three messages and click my ruby shoes three times before the Wiz lets me deliver a Personal Message to you.
Is my friend Canadian? If that's what you meant, yes she is. She traces her line from Georgina BURGESS, daughter of John BURGESS and Jean McDOUGALL. Georgina was born about 1826, Kirkcudbrightshire (christened March 10, 1826, Balmaclellan) and died about 1898, Ontario.
Georgina married William LAWSON (b. abt. March 20, 1832, Ontario, died abt. 1908? Ontario). Their date of marriage is still unknown.
So, only one post to go! What else would you like to know that could speed this process??
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Gadget
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I think that I have some photos somewhere of Georgina's descendants.
Didn't they move to London?
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Gadget
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PS
Your friend will be related to the two other people that I mentioned. I think Georgina was probably born in Canada because John and Jean left KKD in 1826. I have ref to them in a book somewhere and I'm sure Georgina wasn't listed.
Have you read my other thread on the family - descendants of John's brother/step brother, Samuel:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,356098.0.html
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showart
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Good morning, Gadget,
I believe the BURGESS-LAWSON litter set up shop mostly in Grey County, Ontario, specifically Bentinck Twp., Glenelg Twp., and environs. Perhaps subsequent generations lived in London (Ont.). I have tried to concentrate my efforts initially on my friend's main line so I can't say for sure yet.
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showart
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Hi again,
If I were a betting man, I'd wager that Geogina was born in Scotland. Using the 1852 and 1881 censuses, Georgina was listed in both instances as having been born in Scotland.
If indeed she was christened in Balmaclellan, Kirkcudbright, March 10, 1826 (and I must admit I took that from another website), she could have been born several weeks earlier and still been part of the family's emigration to Canada after sailing conditions improved in April and May of that year. I have been able to narrow the date of arrival to only 1826-28, based on the birth dates of Georgina and her sister Anne (Nichola Anne?), who was born in Canada in 1828. Do you know of a sailing date for the family in 1826?
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CanadianStoddart
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I found this discussion on a google search while looking for info on Ontario Burgesses. I am connected to John Burgess b. 1816 son of John Burgess and Jean McDougal. John Burgess b. 1816 married Mary (Stoddart) Ramage in Toronto Ontario. The Ramage and Burgess families had a connection that seems to stem from Scotland.
Mary Stoddart was born in Wiston and Roberton near Crowfordjohn, Lanarkshire. I am interested in conversing with anyone else with info on this line.
John Burgess died in Richview, Peel County, Ontario. He was a postmaster there.
Thanks.
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