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How about this from SP:
Baptism - Wiston and Roberton - 21 Feb 1790 - John Stodart Parents - Philip Stodart and Janet Padkin
Think this is him and he is Mary's brother 
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I've checked for baptisms in the OPR (SP) for children of Philip and Janet 1780-1810 in Lanarkshire
This is what I have - all Wiston and Roberton:
20 Aug 1786- Margaret (just Philip's name)
23 Feb 1788 - James
21 Feb 1790 - John
26 Feb 1792 - Weir
30 July 1794 - William
5 Nov 1797 - Janet
22 Oct 1799 - Helen
16 DEc 1802 - Mary
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Philip Stodart married/banns Janet Padyen on 7 Sept 1785, Wiston and Roberton
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Gadget
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Two baptisms showing for a Janet Padkin and Padyen in Wiston and Roberton
30 Jan 1758 Janet Padkin
17 Oct 1762 Janet Padyen
Both listed as father James.No mother's name. I assume that the first one died and your Janet is the second one.
Can't see anything for a Phil* Stod*ar* 
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Found him 
16 Jan 1758 Wiston and Roberton Philip Stodhart . Father - Philip Stodhart. No mother's name.
However, there is a Philip Stodhart (variations) there having children in the broad time period (1756- onwards) where the mother is Janet Weir*, so it's highly likely that she was Philip's mother.
Gadget
* given that Philip and Janet Padken's third son was called Weir!
Oh dear, you've gone now it's got interesting
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Gadget
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The only marriage that I can find for a James Pad*n at around the right time is in Montrose, Angus. It seems a long way to travel to Wiston/Roberton in Lanark but it is an outside possibility so I'll give it to you just in case. Note that the marriages in the OPRs are just for those marrying in the Church of Scotland. There were a variety of other forms of marriage that were recognised and some that were not entered/missing books. etc.
18 June 1742 Montrose, Angus
James Padkin to Helen Aitkin
I note that one of Janet Padkin/Philip Stodart's daughters was called Helen.
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Gadget...
That's incredible! How do you do that. What is SP and OPR?
These have to be the right people, there are so many similarities.
Thank you so much.
Margaret
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Gadget
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Hi Margaret
OPRs are the Old Parish/Parochial Records of the Church of Scotland; the main source of baptism, marriage and burial information in Scotland pre-1855 when statutory registration came in. They only cover the established Church of Scotland (Presbyterian) records so, if ancestors were of Roman Catholic or other non-conformist faith, they wouldn't be included.
These records can be consulted at the General Records Office/National Archives in Edinburgh, the Mitchell Library in Glasgow and some of the larger records offices in Scotland. They can also be hired as film from LDS Family History Centres. Alternatively, they are available online via Scotlands People (SP) at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk on a reasonably priced credit purchase basis. Some, but not all, are online for free via the LDS website - www.familysearch.org
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Gadget
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Hi again
I've just been looking for Mary Stoddart in online trees. There is one called the Ritter tree which is obviously Mary (1803, Lanark - 1881, Ontario) and has your John as her brother.
There seems to be a very major error - whoever entered it is not too good with arithmatic - her parents are given as James Stoddart (1820- 1858) and Elizabeth Lnu (no dates) another gives her mother as Elizabeth Rowan (no dates) and same father with a sister b. 1841 and a brother b. 1843.
I think the information that I've given is the most accurate.
Gadget
added - I see that you've also got one up with the same dates for her father 
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Gadget -
I have reviewed those ancestry oneworldtrees as well and use them cautiously. There are a lot of errors in them.
I haven't posted a tree on Ancestry but there are at least two other Stoddart researchers that have, one with the same name as me.
Thanks,
Margaret
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Will do a search for Jane Murray Rammage next
Do you have anything at all about her except that she married James?
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Jane Murray Ramage b 1822 d Dec 12 1909 married James Burgess Dec 29 1843. They had 11 children and came to Canada I believe in the early 1840s.
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Gadget
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Yes - I've been trying to look for her death - nothing at all on any of the listings 1909 or at any time - as Burges* or Ram*age. Nothing on censuses either after James is listed as Head of Household in 1871. Mary Stoddart Burgess, who married Thomas Ivey, is supposed to have emigrated to the US in 1882. Did she go with them
This information was from a family bible and a will. I don't see James death in 1875 either. This is all very strange.
I might try a request on the Canada board but I do have access to all the Ontario BMDs that are online
Gadget
PS - if it was James, son of John Burgess and Jean Mcdowall, he came to Canada in 1826 with his parents.
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do you have access to the cemetery records?
James is supposedly buried in the Pioneer Cemetery, Durham, Bentinck Township, Grey County. May 1875.
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My theory is that Jane Murray Ramage was the daughter of Mary Stoddart and (James) Ramage.
Mary was b. 1802 so she would be of an age. I think I saw a marriage for her listed as 1822. The Murray name could have come from James Ramage's family line.
The names of Jane Murray Ramage and James Burgess's children were:
Mary Stoddart - Stoddart line
Thomas Spalding - Burgess line
Jane McDougal - Mcdowal line
Janet Padkin- Stoddart line
Helen Murray
James
John McDowal - Mcdowal line
James McKenzie
Robert William Ramage
Nina Annie Laurie - Mcdowal line (Jean McDowal's mother was, I think, a Laurie)
Malvina
The info that we have says that she was b. Scotland - but not sourced.
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