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eddiesboy
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by the way gadget is it normal for dates to be so far out on docs i have had some help on my irish thread for 1869 in l/derry names tie up though
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Gadget
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I think the birth of Robert in Londonderry looks pretty good - if you read the thread, I said that most of the censuses he was on and his marriage to Jeanie suggest born circa 1871/2 so 1869 is not bad.
i've just been looking at the death cert again. It says that Robert married (1) Jeanie Riddell (2) Catherine Malone.
I would think that Jeanie died before the second marriage unless you have proof that they divorced - or did they just separate and he took up with Catherine?
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eddiesboy
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although i could not find the death, because my grandfather had her as deceased on his wedding cert i think we can safely assume she is dead. but you never know
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hume
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Robert lists himself as widower on his 1911 marriage certificate. The bride's name is under Kate Malone if you're searching for it. I can also post the details if you need them. 
I think this is Jeanie's death. The age is a bit off from the 1901 census, but not unusual at all.
Jeanie Dickson, 33, married to Robert Dickson, coalminer
d. October 12th 1910 at the Royal Infirmary, Glasgow (us. res. 18 Glebe Street, East Kilbride)
parents - John Riddell, wood sawyer (dec.) and Jeanie Cairns, previously Riddell m.s. McCracken (also dec.)
registered by Robert Dickson, widower (October 13th 1910 at Glasgow)
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eddiesboy
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thanks very much hume sent a PM to yourself, where did you find this?
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hume
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Hi,
It was found through SP. Used wildcards (J*n* Di*on, other name R*d*l) to the extreme  just in case someone had a funny idea of spelling!
This looks like Jeanie/Jane with her grandparents 1881:
Address: New Road, Philip's Land, East Kilbride
James McCracken, head, mar., 64, joiner, b. Ireland
Elizabeth McCracken, wife, mar., 63, joiner's wife, b. East Kilbride
Jane Riddell, granddaughter, unm., 6, scholar, b. East Kilbride
Elizabeth Riddell, granddaughter, unm., 3, -, b. East Kilbride
By the way, I know Glebe Street (from Jeanie's d.c.) a wee bit. It's still there but a lot of new flats have been put up on it. Not sure if there's any "original" buildings left. 
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hume
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And her birth from the IGI:
Jane Riddell McCracken, 29th October 1874 East Kilbride
mother: Jane McCracken
A lot of the time with illegitimate births, the father's name was used as a middle name. Not sure if this was used as a hint to him that he had children running about the place. So John Riddell was probably Jeanie's father. Wonder if Thomas Wilson (from her m.c.) was just made up either by herself or her family ... possibly more romantic a story, having a father as a sea captain.
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Gadget
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Oh well done, hume 
You've sorted it out while I've been doing my chores!
Is there anything else or is that it?
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hume
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Just to complete Jeanie's census records ... and confused myself. Help!
Crawford Land, East Kilbride (1891)
John Riddell, head, 62, shoemaker, b. East Kilbride
Elizabeth McCracken, boarder, 71, servant (domestic), b. East Kilbride
Jane Riddle, boarder, 17, servant (domestic), b. East Kilbride
Bessie Riddle, boarder, 12, scholar, b. East Kilbride
There is a birth for a Sarah Jane McCracken (Jeanie's mum) for 1854 at East Kilbride. Parents as per 1881 census, mother's maiden name is Riddell. So are John and Elizabeth brother and sister? And more to that, is John the father of Jane and Bessie??
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Gadget
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Very odd ~
Sarah Jane's parents are given as James McCracken and Elizabeth Riddell. Marriage showing for these two at East Kilbride, 14 March 1841 (IGI, extracted)
so it looks as if John is Elizabeth's brother
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Gadget
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A number of possible birth/baptisms for Elizabeth and John in East Kilbride but so far i can't match up the parents
Brain and laptop on a go slow at the moment - think I'll take time out
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hume
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Back from viewing more certs ... I should have shares in SP by now.
John and Elizabeth both born to Hugh Riddell, joiner (dec.) and Ann Riddell m.s. Thomson (also dec.).
John registered Elizabeth's death in 1893, dying himself in 1899. Bessie/Elizabeth (sister to Jeanie) registered John's death, noted as "niece".
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eddiesboy
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im overwhelmed guys so much info and i really appreciate your help, but a little confused are you saying jane riddle is jeanie? and they are living with relatives, break it down for the simple folk please my father may be a scot but i support everton.
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Gadget
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Hi
I'll leave hume's findings for him to explain in detail but in Scotland Jean and Jane were used interchangeably.
Gadget - I support Celtic 
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eddiesboy
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thanks gadget you both did very well and got me out of the dead end and its much appreciated
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