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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #15 on: Friday 20 February 09 01:20 UTC (UK) »
Another thought....for all relatives old or young enough to have served in the Boer War and World Wars...search the records on line...you can learn a lot about what happened to them and who were their next of kin and what were their professions. Anyone else want to pitch in?  Best wishes from a Great Clifton descendant.  Lumber-Jack
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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #16 on: Friday 20 February 09 01:51 UTC (UK) »
Shadrach S (Sparks) Charlton :Victory and British Medals Roll b Royal Field Artillary/284 page 36799 regimental # 188858 rank Dvr  he was a horseman by trade.

You should get the details from Kew but his complete Short Service Record is available  on line at a well known genealogy database provider specialising in Ancestors beginning with "A"! There is just too much to summarise here....names and addresses, physical attributes, postings, next of kin etc etc. I am sure the other boys are here too.

Check the Medal Rolls files too.

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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #17 on: Friday 20 February 09 04:01 UTC (UK) »
John Charlton Campaign 1914-15
RFA Dvr ( driver) Regimental # 21626
RFA A/Bar 21626
Victory medal RFA 138B 7446
British medal RFA 138B 7446
5Star RFA//A/B2102

Dead ( at least it seems to read that way....sorry)

I do not know if this is one of your John's. This is from a medal roll card and I cannot find a Short Service record to match it.
I am listing it here because he may have joined as a driver in the RFA with brother Shadrach. You would have to check this out at Kew.
I can find no other war records for Jacob or Joseph S.....others might.
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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #18 on: Friday 20 February 09 09:51 UTC (UK) »
yes fletcher was born before they married johns dad is christopher charlton mum margaret sparks look at the entry for margaret sparks my elderly aunt jean remembers her uncle shad anns people are ag labs from same area she had a brother jacob young csc
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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #19 on: Friday 20 February 09 11:54 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Lumber-Jack on Friday 20 February 09 00:11 UTC (UK)
Mary 48 Letmurthy (now we know!)

Not quite - Setmurthy http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CUL/Setmurthy/index.html
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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #20 on: Friday 20 February 09 15:20 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Geoff! Setmurthy it is. And Shadrach Sparks is the corrected name of one son. To move forward now that we know the names and dates of birth of the children, the various BMD files and enumeration/voter lists may yield some info. I have to walk the Westies now. Lumber-Jack
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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 21 February 09 00:55 UTC (UK) »
Christopher  Charlton died 1922 Q3 age 51 Carlisle Cumbria Cumberland 10b 489

Most likely him

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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 21 February 09 01:16 UTC (UK) »
That's it, I have run out of steam and databases! Remember to look up Shadrach's war short service record. Best of luck....Lumber-Jack
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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 21 February 09 06:44 UTC (UK) »
thanks for youe efforts at least i have a wee bit more i did not know about their service records i  think william had a son fletcher who died 1954 or 56 i think ann and john had similar backgrounds working outside it would be a hard working life for them similar to my own upbringing i am the eldest of 8 and not 2 of us were born in the same house either dad went from farm to farm wherever he could get work and some of those farmers were very tight fisted there was nothing for them when they came back after serving in the army and dad was a prisoner of war for a couple of years csc
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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 21 February 09 09:02 UTC (UK) »
john charlton born 1847 his father is christopher born 1811 stapleton what does anyone know about him his fathers name is probably john or william he appears to have lived to a good age dying in 1900 csc
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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 21 February 09 13:00 UTC (UK) »
1841 Census:
Stapleton ( Eskdale,Longtown,High Longtown)

at Larchend ( probably a farm)

living with the family of farmer Elizabeth Little (60) and her son Thomas( 40)

John Charlton 55 farmer ( ie born abt 1786)
Jane 40 wife born in Scotland
Anne 13
Edward 11
Jane 3
William 40 (likely John's  brother as he is a Charlton and born in county) ag lab

all except  wife born in county ( Cumberland)

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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 21 February 09 21:23 UTC (UK) »
he is old enough to be christophers father but she is not old enough to be his mother  christopher is 1810 or 11i wonder if he had 2 wifes i have e mailed cockermouth reg office to see if i can get his death cert i  hope his parents are on it i wonder who she is says she is scottish  she has to be born about 1800 or 1801 i should be able to get her on scotlands people if i can get her maiden name  csc
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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 22 February 09 01:05 UTC (UK) »
Remember that in the 1841 census the ages were rounded so Jane at 40 in 1841 would have been  10 in 1811 for Christopher's birth. But if she was 44 in 1841 (rounded down by the census enumerator to 40)  she would have been 14 in 1811 or 15 in 1812. Pushing it I know but possible among folk at this time. I do not by any means discount your second wife theory, as this was common too especially with high death rates due to poor sanitation and childbirth. How did you get Christopher born in 1810 or 1811?  Is it an accurate date? L-J
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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 22 February 09 16:31 UTC (UK) »
The 1811 baptism of Christopher names his mother as Jane HETHERINGTON.

The IGI has an 1827 marriage of a John CHARLTON to a Jane REA at Stapleton.

Of course, I can't say if it was the same John CHARLTON.
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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 22 February 09 17:27 UTC (UK) »
thanks  that is quite strange if you look at my family on the dumfriesshire side you will see i am looking for a janet hetherington mother of mary bell who was married to my francis kerr i wonder why my grandad charlton was working up here he was married to my gran agnes kerr i thought he was just looking for work after his parents died csc
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