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Lumber-Jack
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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 22 February 09 18:32 UTC (UK) »

Well done Geoff,

The Jane Rea marriage in 1827 makes sense as Anne arrived in 1828.

If John was up in Dumbfriesshire and there were Hetherington's  around associated with your family he may well have married Jane Hetherington  at say 20  and produced Christopher when he was 25. There may have been other children too...we have always assumed William (age 40 in the 1841 Census to be John's brother) but he could well be aged between 37 and 40, born between 1801 and 1806 ,  an elder brother of Christopher and a son of John and Jane Hetherington This could place the marriage between John and Jane Hetherington between 1805-06 when John would have been 19-20 years old.

John must have like Jane's! He could well have met Jane Rea in Scotland (Dumbfriesshire) before or shortly after the death of his first wife (remember she is a Scot; I wonder if the Rea's were farmers for whom he worked so it is worth looking for them in the Scottish records) and then moved to Stapleton and married her. Or they met in Stapleton .

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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 22 February 09 18:58 UTC (UK) »

I would imagine the William in 1841 was the same as the one in 1851, despite the error in age.

I guess if you wish to disprove this, you must find what happened to the one who was there in 1841, then find out where the one who had arrived by 1851 came from.
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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 22 February 09 20:30 UTC (UK) »

the charltons were also connected to the rothery family mrs rothery was margaret chalrton nee sparks sister i think the will i talked of earlier belonged to margaret sparks wife of shadrach i think her 2 relatives christopher charlton and john rothery were the witnesses shadrach charlton worked for his aunt and uncle csc
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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 24 February 09 01:49 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Geoff, that blows my theory....William is John's brother and I see that John the grandson is with them in the 1851, so that's where he got to! L-J
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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 24 February 09 04:33 UTC (UK) »

1851 Stapleton

54 Luckens ( not Larchend!) Thomas Little (Farmer of 25 acres)

55 Luckens

John 63  (farmer of 100 acres!) b Cumberland Abbey Lanercost
Jane 52 w b Scotland
Anne 23 fd b Stapleton
Edward 20 fs b Stapleton
Jane 13 sc b Stapleton
Mary 9 sc b Stapleton
John 1 grandson b Stapleton (so where are his parents or is he the illegitimate son of Anne or Edward?)
William 45 brother ag lab b Abbey Lanercost

56 George Little Farmer

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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 24 February 09 04:41 UTC (UK) »

1861 Hethersgill
49 Moss Edge
John Charlton 75 retired farmer b AL
Jane 66 b Scot
Edward 30 ag lab b Stpn
Jane 21 dressmaker b Stpn

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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #36 on: Tuesday 24 February 09 04:58 UTC (UK) »

So the big census gap is John Charlton junior  (age 10) and Anne Charlton ( age 33), both in in the 1861 census as  I suspect that Anne is John's Mum illegitimately and Anne has married by 1861.

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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #37 on: Tuesday 24 February 09 06:33 UTC (UK) »

i think young john might be anns son and i think you might be right mother jane might be older than it says cockermouth reg office have replied to me i can get john and ann and christophers death cert also christophers wife margaret if i can get her death year i am not sure if it is 1894 the reply from them is very good i am going to ask how far back i can get  i wonder if jane came from longtown which is sometimes regarded as english sometimes scottish my grandad joseph is buried arthuret  csc
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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #38 on: Tuesday 24 February 09 06:38 UTC (UK) »

john amd ann had a little baby mirehouse died in 1888 at 2 days i think they might have been fashionable before the beckhams and their son fletcher died at about 23 my aunt jean told me he had been kicked by a horse csc
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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #39 on: Wednesday 25 February 09 21:00 UTC (UK) »

this very handsome man on my messages is joseph sparks charlton my grandfather born 1890 died 1935 at longtown csc
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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #40 on: Thursday 26 February 09 06:29 UTC (UK) »

thank you lumberjack for prompting me to look for the army records i have found the ones you mentioned but i have also found my other grandad robert cursiter from the orkney isles as well my father john charlton was a prisoner of war in ww2 when he was sent back to britain he was stationed in orkney i think the local women would be fighting over him csc
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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #41 on: Friday 27 February 09 05:49 UTC (UK) »

That's great news...those war records can be very useful L-J
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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 04 March 09 10:23 UTC (UK) »

does anyone know about the hetherington family or the parentage of john charlton lanercost born around 1785 csc
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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #43 on: Saturday 07 March 09 11:01 UTC (UK) »

i think john charltons father may be edward christened 13th august 1754 married to ann hetherington july 1781 her father is john hetherington  1734 and elizabeth bell 1734???     edward and anns children as being mary 1782 nancy 1784 john 1787 edward 1789 william 1802 james?Huh?ann sarah    i have a marriage date for john as being 1810     edward 1754 parents might be edward mother mary dinning  does anyone know about any of these people csc
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Re: charltons great clifton
« Reply #44 on: Saturday 07 March 09 11:29 UTC (UK) »

i have john charltons wife as being jane hetherington daughter of william hetherington and margaret wilson csc
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