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alisonbcd
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Who did they marry?
« on: Thursday 19 February 09 22:26 UTC (UK) »

My grandfather, James R DORAN, had four sisters, all born in Carlisle. I can't find a spouse for any of them. Their names were Ann, born 1860, Ellen, born 1863, Sarah Jane, born 1880 and Margaret, born 1892.

Any help would be most appreciated.

Thanks

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Re: Who did they marry?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 19 February 09 22:35 UTC (UK) »

There are lots of Doran marriages in the  Whitehaven area in the relevant timescale, including the four names you have mentioned. Are you sure they stayed in Carlisle?

I presume you have tried searching www.freebmd.org.uk

Jen
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alisonbcd
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Re: Who did they marry?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 20 February 09 00:12 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jen,

I am not actually certain that they remained in Carlisle. I do know their  brothers did except for one. I have checked freebmd, I'm at a total loss looking for these women.

Alison
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Peebleshire & Tweedsmuir: Jackson/Tweedie
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Re: Who did they marry?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 20 February 09 00:28 UTC (UK) »

These names DO appear on freebmd. Maybe you should try looking again...

Pauline
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Re: Who did they marry?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 20 February 09 10:24 UTC (UK) »

There is no way, without buying certifictaes that these are yours but have you seen the following:

Mar 1881, Whitehaven 10b/775 - Ellen Doran

Jun 1882, Whitehaven, 10b/967 - Ann Jane Doran

Jun 1899, Cockermouth, 10b/1188 - Sarah Jane Doran

Dec 1901, Carlisle, 10b/851 - Sarah Doran

These are just a few possibles for your women, there are more on FreeBMD as Pauline said.

Jen
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Re: Who did they marry?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 20 February 09 10:49 UTC (UK) »

My grandfather, James R DORAN, had four sisters, all born in Carlisle. I can't find a spouse for any of them. Their names were Ann, born 1860, Ellen, born 1863, Sarah Jane, born 1880 and Margaret, born 1892.


Ellen Doran does not appear with the family (or, apparently, anywhere else) in any census, and unless you know otherwise it looks as though she may have died young:

Death Mar qtr 1867

Ellen DORAN aged 4

Carlisle 10b 343

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Re: Who did they marry?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 20 February 09 10:57 UTC (UK) »

Are you sure about a Margaret b 1892 being a sister of the others?

Sarah Doran senior is enumerated as aged:

25 in 1861 (RG9/3916/47/10)
37 in 1871 (RG10/5218/114/14)
47 in 1881 (RG11/5155/131/14)
50 [sic] in 1891 (RG12/4287/13/20)

I think it would be very surprising if she had had another child in 1892.

I can't easily see the family in 1901 - have you found them? Now found - see below.

Anna Smiley

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London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Re: Who did they marry?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 20 February 09 11:10 UTC (UK) »


Jun 1899, Cockermouth, 10b/1188 - Sarah Jane Doran


This one can be ruled out as she married Peter McCourt on the same page; the 1901 census for them shows she is several years older than the "correct" Sarah Jane, and born in Workington rather than Carlisle.
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Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Re: Who did they marry?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 20 February 09 11:26 UTC (UK) »

Margaret, if she was indeed a sister, would have been of marrying age at the outset of WW1. She could easily have been one of those young women who never married - there were so many of them.

Well done Anna, finding the Sarah Jane details which eliminate her from the possibles. Smiley

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Re: Who did they marry?
« Reply #9 on: Friday 20 February 09 11:30 UTC (UK) »

1901 census
RG13/4864/49/11
10 Portland Place, Botchergate, Carlisle


Sarah Doran Head Wid 66 Cumberland Carlisle
Anne do Daur S 41 Charwoman Durham
Frank do Son S 29 Slater Cumb. Carlisle
William do Son S 27 Tailor Cumb. Carlisle
Sarah do Daur S 20 Day servant, general domestic Cumb. Carlisle
Margaret do Daur S 9 Cumb. Carlisle


Given the dates/ages I'd bet my bottom dollar that Margaret is a granddaughter rather than (as enumerated) a daughter of Sarah senior - quite possibly Ann/Anne is her natural mother.

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Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
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Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Re: Who did they marry?
« Reply #10 on: Friday 20 February 09 11:32 UTC (UK) »

I think you are almost certainly right. It's either that or one very old mother! Grin
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NR Yorks: Bushby Smith Bland Iley Cunion Kendrew Thornbury Favell Lonsdale Crossland Rudd Pratt Gibson
Westmorland: Dickenson, Jackson Ewbank Waller
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Re: Who did they marry?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 21 February 09 20:24 UTC (UK) »

Thank you for all the responses and help. I actually hadn't given much thought about Margaret's date of birth, however, it is very possible she was Ann/Anne's child.

Alison
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Peebleshire & Tweedsmuir: Jackson/Tweedie
Scotland: Strachan/Stedman
Surrey & Midlothian: Cornwall/Knight
Stirlingshire: Forrester
Canada-Quebec: Bureau/Marois/Cote
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