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Trimmings family from Henley
« on: Friday 20 February 09 17:30 UTC (UK) »

Hello Smiley

Can anyone help me ... please? 

I'm looking for Ann Trimmings - born abt.1829/1830 - Henley On Thames, Oxfordshire.  I can't seem to find any early records of her. ??

She was my G/G/G Grandmother. She married Robert Winning & they had 5 children - Robert (b.1854), John, Alfred, Mary.A, & Jane

I have found her on the 1861 Census - Aged 35 & living at Prospect Place, West Ham.
Then on the 1871 Census - Aged 42 & living at New Peter Street, Westminster.

On the 1881 Census - Aged 51 - she is a lodger at 40, Camellia Street, Lambeth. 
The interesting thing is:  at 41, Camellia Street, lives James Trimmings & his family.  James - Aged 47 (b.1834) - born: Henley, Oxfordshire.

So, was James a brother to Ann ? Can anyone help me Huh

Thank-you.

Jackie

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Re: Trimmings family from Henley
« Reply #1 on: Friday 20 February 09 17:44 UTC (UK) »

where and when did she marry Robert Winning ?


and what on earth is her PoB in 1861  Huh


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Re: Trimmings family from Henley
« Reply #2 on: Friday 20 February 09 17:49 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jackie,

I have a CD which includes Henley PRs (Oxon FHS):

Anne Trimmings  born Sep 9  baptised Oct 17 1824 d/o William, a labourer & Sarah.

I'll get back to you with her siblings and anything else I can find.

Jill
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Re: Trimmings family from Henley
« Reply #3 on: Friday 20 February 09 18:03 UTC (UK) »

The James T you mention was the son of Richard and Mary Trimmings - going back to 1841, the surname has been transcribed IREMINS on Ancestry ...

HO107/874/4; Henley Upon Thames; District: 1; Folio: 12; Page: 16
West Street

as Jill has just shown, tis not the family that Ann belongs to tho !


wrong one - 1854, not 1834  Embarrassed
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Re: Trimmings family from Henley
« Reply #4 on: Friday 20 February 09 18:14 UTC (UK) »

Me again,

William Trimmings X bach otp married Sarah Willis X sp otp in Henley Aug 29 1813.
Witnesses: James Crutchfield X, Ann Harper X.

Their other children baptised in Henley:

born Jun 24, baptised Jul 24 1814 Richard
born Nov 15, baptised Dec 16 1815 William
born Feb 24, baptised Apr 13 1817 Thomas
born Feb 11, baptised Mar 8 1820 Mary
born Dec 18 1822, baptised Feb 16 1823 Sarah
born Jan 13, baptised Feb 11 1827 Charles
baptised Oct 4 1829 James

so that looks like your James?!

Hope that's some help,
Jill
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Re: Trimmings family from Henley
« Reply #5 on: Friday 20 February 09 18:19 UTC (UK) »

I wonder if the lass in High Street Guildford, in service to a Mr Cooke, Grocer is her ?

1841 - HO107/1082/1; Guildford, Holy Trinity; District: 3; Folio: 16; Page: 26


Ann Trimming 20   Female Servant Not born in County
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Re: Trimmings family from Henley
« Reply #6 on: Friday 20 February 09 18:21 UTC (UK) »

Hi!  Thanks for all that.

You know, I can't find a marriage for Robert Winning & Ann Trimmings ??

I thought the same about her PoB on the 1861 Census - before realising that "Enleg or James" transcribed to "Henley On Thames" !!!!!! Grin

Thank-you, anything else you can find out will be much appreciated.

Regards,

Jackie Smiley Smiley

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Re: Trimmings family from Henley
« Reply #7 on: Friday 20 February 09 18:38 UTC (UK) »

The marriage certainly isn't in the Henley PRs - for either St Marys or Holy Trinity.

It looks as if she's already moved away.

I had a quick look on FreeBMD but I couldn't see the marriage either. Do you know when the first of their 5 children was born - just thinking, if it was Robert in 1854, that would make Ann 30 when she had him. Any possibility that she'd been married previously?

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John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
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Re: Trimmings family from Henley
« Reply #8 on: Friday 20 February 09 19:10 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jill,

Thanks for all your help.

I think that her husband, Robert, had been married before - to a Jane Davies - Sep 1837 Manchester (on FreeBMD)

Then I think she died & Ann Trimmings was his second wife.  They had a son, Robert, born in 1854 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire + a son, John born in Newport, Wales + son, Alfred born in Cardiff, Wales + a sister, Mary.A born in West Ham + sister, Jane born in Bermondsey, Surrey   ..............  so they seemed to travel about a bit!!!!!

I have the birth certificate for Robert Winning (b.1854) & mothers name states: Ann Winning formerly Trimmings.

Because the Census records show Ann Winning born in Henley, Oxon - I thought I might find her birth register to get a certificate.  but, as I say I can't find anything previous to 1861 Census.

If Ann was born in 1830, she would of been 24/25 when she had son, Robert.

Cheers,
Jackie
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Re: Trimmings family from Henley
« Reply #9 on: Friday 20 February 09 19:39 UTC (UK) »

she was born 1824, according to the Henley PRs above .....

if the 1841 Guildford lass in service is correct, she wasnt 'married' then  Smiley
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Re: Trimmings family from Henley
« Reply #10 on: Friday 20 February 09 20:18 UTC (UK) »

I agree - the 1824 baptism for Ann in Henley is almost certainly the right one. I wouldn't worry too much about ages given on censuses - even the 1861 and 1881 that you've mentioned differ by a few years.

I still can't find her marriage to Robert. I suppose it's always possible that they never actually married. Have you found a death for Jane, who you think was his first wife? or perhaps he just left her and set up home with Ann?  Undecided

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John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp  Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp  Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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Re: Trimmings family from Henley
« Reply #11 on: Friday 20 February 09 21:18 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jill,

I've been looking into the possibility that Ann may have been married before getting married to Robert Winning - as you suggested. 

On FreeBMD, I found a marriage registered JUN 1855 - CHELTENHAM 6a 650 -
Robert Winning & Ann Ballinger.

Could Ann Ballinger be the name she was born with - in Henley On Thames ??

Then maybe she married a Trimmings before marrying Robert Winning & using her "Ballinger" name ??

I still can't find any pre-1861 information though.

Jackie Smiley Smiley
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Re: Trimmings family from Henley
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 21 February 09 10:56 UTC (UK) »

There are no Ballinger baptisms in Henley.

I think you have to stick with what you know - you have Ann Trimming's baptism in Henley, as well as that of her brother James who's living next to her in Lambeth in 1881.

The only way to find if she married before Robert Winning would be to find a marriage for an Ann Trimmings prior to 1854 and then for a marriage of an Ann (married name) to Robert Winning - but I can't find either!  Roll Eyes

What is Robert's occupation on the censuses? Does it explain why they moved about so much?

Jill
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John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp  Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp  Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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Re: Trimmings family from Henley
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 21 February 09 11:12 UTC (UK) »

Engineer I recall ..... Smiley
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Re: Trimmings family from Henley
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 21 February 09 17:05 UTC (UK) »

That's suitably vague! Doesn't help much.

I've tried all sorts of permutations and I just cannot find a marriage for Robert & Ann.

I've found his death:

Dec q 1865 Westminster 1a 241

and, if the marriage to Jane Davies in Manchester is his, there's a death for a Jane Winning:

Dec Q 1852 Lambeth 1d 214.

One thing I have noticed, and Jackie is probably already aware of this, but Winning seems to be predominantly a Scottish name. Any chance they tied the knot up in Scotland?

Does Robert appear on the 1861 census with Ann? Where was he born and how old was he?

Jill
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Major brickwalls:
John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp  Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp  Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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