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Topic: The Black Horse Pub, Winchester St. Salisbury (Read 508 times)
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Westy
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Posts: 90
Lily Hendey 1934
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I am looking for info on my wife's Great Grandfather George Russell and the public house where he was the licensed victualler. The pub is the Black Horse, 18 Winchester Street, Salisbury but I can find no mention of it today. There is a Black Horse in Castle Street which is very near but its not the one. I have a birth cert for his son Ronald Russell born 1905 with the Black Horse mentioned as place of birth.
Does anyone know of this place and is there any access to the licensed victualler list for that time
Any input would be great
Cheers
Westy
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Burke, Mythen - Co Wexford, Ireland
Hendey,Hayward,Stevenson,Wells,Scott,Hutchings, Wren - Hampshire
Cox, Keats, Lyde, Roberts, Bishop, Snelling - Dorset
Dickinson - Bristol
Russell -Salisbury
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Westy
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Lily Hendey 1934
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Thanks Julie, that would be great
Westy otherwise Steve !!
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Burke, Mythen - Co Wexford, Ireland
Hendey,Hayward,Stevenson,Wells,Scott,Hutchings, Wren - Hampshire
Cox, Keats, Lyde, Roberts, Bishop, Snelling - Dorset
Dickinson - Bristol
Russell -Salisbury
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julieann1
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Hi Steve,
I had a look at 'Inns of Salisbury' by Roland Graham Gordon. 4 large files of handwritten info.
Unfortunately, his info on The Black Horse only goes up to 1843. His info starts in 1620, when a William Gold was proprietor. Apparently the pub was also known as The Star and Garter for part of its history. To quote from Gordon "1775 The Star and Garter changed to the Black Horse again by George Webb the proprietor. It had stabling for 50 horses and was the starting place for several coaches. "
I also looked in the local directories. Unfortunately, your ancestor didn't choose to be included in Kelly's, which the library has a good collection of.
Langmead and Evan's Directory of Salisbury 1897 - 8, has under 'Inns': Black Horse, Winchester Street, A Biss, Proprietor. On another page, under the alphabetical listings, it has him as 'A Bist'.
The next mention I can find of the pub is in Brown's Directory for 1912. Black Horse, Winchester Street, proprietor A J Gould. The street listing in the same publication shows that the Black Horse, no 18 is on the south side of Winchester Street, on the corner of Brown Street.
The next directory that the library has is for 1925, and this shows no 18 is occupied by Courtney & son, Furniture Dealers.
Attached is a photo of the building today. I'm not sure if the present building dates back to 1620, but it certainly would have been there in 1905 when your ancestor was born. It is now a hairdressers. The photo isn't great as I took it on my phone. I will take another next time I have my camera with me.
If I come across any more info about the pub I will let you know.
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BELL;TWEEDIE;PITTILLO/PATTILLO;WATSON;JOHNSTONE;PALMER;MOFFAT:DOBIE;BEATTIE:-Dumfrieshire
HYSLOP;MANSON;CURRIE;JAMIESON;BEATTIE:-Ayr
HOOKER;DYSON;SEABROOKE;DYER;DREWELL;STOCKWELL;CRIPPS;-London
DEVOS:London, Belguim
BENDALL-Bristol
WOODEN/WOODIN;JARRETT-Surrey
MURCH;HARRIS;POPE:-Devon QUARM-Devon,London,Anywhere
RUMBLE;HIBBERD;-Wilts
MARTIN - Dorset,Somerset;
PITTUCK/PITTOCK:-Suffolk.
WILSON;BARNEY;WINDES/WINDERS;ELLIS - Yorkshire;MARSTON;HALLAM - Notts;
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julieann1
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I am just adding a quote from 'Ancient and Historical Monuments in the City of Salisbury, Vol 1'. Royal Commission on Historical Monuments (England).
"Houses and Shops, Nos. 1 Brown Street and 18-22 Winchester Street, respectively of two and of three storeys with brick walls, plain sashed windows and tiled roofs, are the W and N ranges of the former Black Horse Inn; they were built c1770. Part of the brick pavement of the inn yard remains between the two ranges, and the walled up carriage entry from Winchester Street is indicated by an ellipitical arch in the N front of No 18. Inside, some 18th century joinery remains."
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BELL;TWEEDIE;PITTILLO/PATTILLO;WATSON;JOHNSTONE;PALMER;MOFFAT:DOBIE;BEATTIE:-Dumfrieshire
HYSLOP;MANSON;CURRIE;JAMIESON;BEATTIE:-Ayr
HOOKER;DYSON;SEABROOKE;DYER;DREWELL;STOCKWELL;CRIPPS;-London
DEVOS:London, Belguim
BENDALL-Bristol
WOODEN/WOODIN;JARRETT-Surrey
MURCH;HARRIS;POPE:-Devon QUARM-Devon,London,Anywhere
RUMBLE;HIBBERD;-Wilts
MARTIN - Dorset,Somerset;
PITTUCK/PITTOCK:-Suffolk.
WILSON;BARNEY;WINDES/WINDERS;ELLIS - Yorkshire;MARSTON;HALLAM - Notts;
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Westy
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Lily Hendey 1934
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Hi Julie
what fantastic info you have found for me, thank you very much, the photo is pretty good as well.
I knew rootchatters would come up trumps as usual
Cheers
Steve
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Burke, Mythen - Co Wexford, Ireland
Hendey,Hayward,Stevenson,Wells,Scott,Hutchings, Wren - Hampshire
Cox, Keats, Lyde, Roberts, Bishop, Snelling - Dorset
Dickinson - Bristol
Russell -Salisbury
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nicky c
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Hi Steve
The lady who ownes the Hairdressers is one of my customers and I could ask her if she knows anything.
Nicky
Ps George Webb is in my family I just haven't got the info to link him directly in.
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Westy
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Lily Hendey 1934
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Hi Nicky
any info would be great if that's possible.
Particularly interested in George Russell as he eventually committed suicide by cutting his throat !!!!
Cheers
Steve
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Burke, Mythen - Co Wexford, Ireland
Hendey,Hayward,Stevenson,Wells,Scott,Hutchings, Wren - Hampshire
Cox, Keats, Lyde, Roberts, Bishop, Snelling - Dorset
Dickinson - Bristol
Russell -Salisbury
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