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Topic: Gadd Family, Nantwich? (Read 352 times)
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matt94
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Hi,
I am seeking the Gadd Family. The earliest ancestors I have are William Gadd = Harriet ??.
On the 1851 Census there is Robert Gadd (uncle of deceased William) living with Harriet and her children: Maria, Robert and Louisa.
He was apparently b. 1774 in Cheshire: Nantwich.
I have found his marriage to Hannah Cowgill on 25 Dec 1804 at Cathedral, Manchester but she pre-deceased him. Can't find him on the 1841 either 
Can anyone help?
Matt
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matt94
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Scratch that :
Found him H0107/576/8/35/12
Living with Philadelphia Gadd??
On George Leigh St... Harriet lived there at no 53 i think.
Any help?
Matt
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Clements Family, Wilts/London
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JDGen
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Hi Matt,
The Nantwich parish registers are online here (up to 1871): http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb/
There is no sign of a baptism for Robert GADD there or in any of the other parishes covered by this project (tried GAD as well). There are also very few GAD/GADD marriages on the Cheshire indexes.
The parish register entry for the marriage of Robert to Hannah COWGILL may give you witnesses which you can follow up - but the parish clerks often acted as witnesses.
I'll see if there is anything else I can think of. Are you certain of the marriage of Robert and Hannah? Who is Philadelphia.....? 
Jean
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukCHS: Barber(Tabley) Barlow(Antrobus) Blackshaw(Lymm, Mobberley) Blease/Done/Moore(G Bud) Owen(Netherton, Tabley) Spragg/Witter(Goostrey) Youd(Frodsham) Pennell Bankes Birchall Beckett DBY: Higginbottom(Mellor) HRT: Gurney HRT/BED/ESS: Verney (Markyate St) LAN: Davenport(Bolton) Schofield/Gurney(Oldham) Lord(Heap) Quinn(Manchester) Sutcliffe(Rossendale) NTH: Tubb/Johnson(Hellidon)Brown(Kettering) YKS: Scott(Clapham) |
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matt94
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A Robert Gadd married Hannah Cowgill on 25 Dec 1804 at Manchester Cathedral.
A Robert Gadd married Philadelphia Lees on 27 Dec 1804 at " " .
1841 census (HO107/576/8/35/12) shows a Philadelphia Gadd, aged 65, living with Robert and two other family units on George Leigh Street, Ancoats. Both born in county?
The 1851 Census (sorry i haven't a ref) shows
Harriet Gadd aged 40 and her two children (i think) and also Robert Gadd, a pauper bricklayer from Cheshire Nantwich. Again this is on George Leigh Sreet.
Philadelphia died in 1846.
But where was Robert born? It must have been Manchester... there are a host of Gadd's living Manchester in 1841.
And when was William (who married Harriet) born/baptized? He is not on any censuses because he died in 1837 (there is a William Gadd d. 1837 on the Free Bmd). And how can I find out when he married Harriet? There is no marriage of William Gadd on the IGI ...
I have been stuck on this one for ages... where do I go.. what can I do to go backwards?
Thanks
Matt
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Fish Family, Yorks/Lincs
Banks Family, Worcs/Warwicks
Clements Family, Wilts/London
Briant Family, Berkshire
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matt94
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Also found Harried on the 1861
Living in the cellar of a grocers shop owned by Mr William Whittenburg
RG09/2934/69/14
GAD Harriet, Head, Widow, 64, Fustian Cutter, Lancs Salford
GAD Louisa, Dau, Unmarried, 24, Milliner, Lancs Manchester
Matt
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Fish Family, Yorks/Lincs
Banks Family, Worcs/Warwicks
Clements Family, Wilts/London
Briant Family, Berkshire
Knott Family, Berkshire
Darkins Family, Kent
Gadd Family, Lancs
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JDGen
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Hi Matt,
Ref for 1851 is HO107 2225/297 Page 6, 58 Geo Leigh Street, Ancoats:
Harriet GADD, Head, W, 53, Fustian Cutter b Lancs Salford
Robt GADD, Son, U, 21, Picker Maker b Lancs Manchester
Louisa GADD, Dau, U, 14, Womans Cap Maker b Lancs Manchester
Robt GADD, Uncle, Wid, 77, Pauper Bricklayer b Ches Nantwich
1841, HO107 576/8/33 Page 8, Geo Leigh Street, Ancoats:
Harriet GADD, 40, Fustian Cutter, Y
Maria GADD, 20, Y
Robt GADD, 10, Y
Louisa GADD, 4, Y
Baptism of Louisa at Manchester Cathedral 25 Dec 1836 shows parents as William (Fustian Cutter) and Harriet of Manchester.
I think that the key is to find the marriage of William and Harriet. As she was born in Salford according to the 1851 (is this consistent in 1861?) that may be where the marriage took place. It might be worth a separate post on the Lancashire board to see what records are available.
There is also this:
Baptism William GADD 12 Aug 1793 Gravel Lane Wesleyan Methodist, Salford born 8th June 1793 parents John GADD & Hannah - there are a number of other GADD children to the same parents.
The death certificate might help as it should give you William's age at death which would help to pinpoint him, however I can't see a death in the right area in 1837 on freebmd - where have you found it?
Jean
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukCHS: Barber(Tabley) Barlow(Antrobus) Blackshaw(Lymm, Mobberley) Blease/Done/Moore(G Bud) Owen(Netherton, Tabley) Spragg/Witter(Goostrey) Youd(Frodsham) Pennell Bankes Birchall Beckett DBY: Higginbottom(Mellor) HRT: Gurney HRT/BED/ESS: Verney (Markyate St) LAN: Davenport(Bolton) Schofield/Gurney(Oldham) Lord(Heap) Quinn(Manchester) Sutcliffe(Rossendale) NTH: Tubb/Johnson(Hellidon)Brown(Kettering) YKS: Scott(Clapham) |
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matt94
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Sorry my notes were taken ages ago by someone I knew before I was old enough to start Rootschatting and searching my family history...
So he died between 25 Dec 1836 and 31/6/1837. 6 month time frame.
Children of Harriet and Robert Gadd
MARIA 6/6/1819 >> Marr James Reynolds at Cathedral, 3 Aug 1851>> Ended up at Manchester Workhouse, Crumpsall. She died in 1873 aged 54.
HANNAH 15/9/1822
ROBERT 9/5/1830 >> Married Ann Coffin at Cathedral, 12 Mar 1855>> my downline
LOUISA 25/12/1836
Hannah must have died befre 1841 - she is not included on any censuses.
How did you find William?
We need to find Harriets maiden name and their marriage don't we...
Marr
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Smith Family, Berks
Hardie Family, Lancs/Scotland
Fish Family, Yorks/Lincs
Banks Family, Worcs/Warwicks
Clements Family, Wilts/London
Briant Family, Berkshire
Knott Family, Berkshire
Darkins Family, Kent
Gadd Family, Lancs
Coffin Family, Lancs/Flint/Cheshire
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matt94
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yes she was born 1797 in salford according to 1861 census
Matt
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Banks Family, Worcs/Warwicks
Clements Family, Wilts/London
Briant Family, Berkshire
Knott Family, Berkshire
Darkins Family, Kent
Gadd Family, Lancs
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JDGen
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Hi Matt,
The baptism of William GADD is on the IGI - sorry, forgot to put the source down - batch is C086721.
I'd say the William could have died anytime after Louisa's conception during 1836. However the Lancashire OPC site has a full transcription of Louisa's baptisms which would suggest that he was alive when she was baptised although this is not conclusive.
Yes, you need the marriage - pity Louisa was born just before registration began. I'd start with Salford as they usually married in the wife's home parish. The older children don't seem to be baptised at the Cathedral (Collegiate Church) so maybe there is a link to Salford.
Jean
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukCHS: Barber(Tabley) Barlow(Antrobus) Blackshaw(Lymm, Mobberley) Blease/Done/Moore(G Bud) Owen(Netherton, Tabley) Spragg/Witter(Goostrey) Youd(Frodsham) Pennell Bankes Birchall Beckett DBY: Higginbottom(Mellor) HRT: Gurney HRT/BED/ESS: Verney (Markyate St) LAN: Davenport(Bolton) Schofield/Gurney(Oldham) Lord(Heap) Quinn(Manchester) Sutcliffe(Rossendale) NTH: Tubb/Johnson(Hellidon)Brown(Kettering) YKS: Scott(Clapham) |
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matt94
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According to the IGI there are no William Gadd's in the area or county getting married 1815-1820.
Maybe there was no actual union between them??
Matt
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Smith Family, Berks
Hardie Family, Lancs/Scotland
Fish Family, Yorks/Lincs
Banks Family, Worcs/Warwicks
Clements Family, Wilts/London
Briant Family, Berkshire
Knott Family, Berkshire
Darkins Family, Kent
Gadd Family, Lancs
Coffin Family, Lancs/Flint/Cheshire
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matt94
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1797 Baptisms forename Harriet on the IGI
Cathedral Manchester
8. HARRIOTT PEERS 26 Feb 1797
13. HARRIOT CARTWRIGHT 19 Feb 1797
19. HARRIOTT MOORE - 15 Jan 1797
21. HARRIOT EVANS 29 Jan 1797
22. HARRIOTT HUNTER 12 Mar 1797
23. HARRIOTT SCHOLES 26 Feb 1797
Could be any one of those ^ Have cut out all those born after 31 Mar because they would have been b. 1798 on the Census.
Will send 1796 in a mo.
Matt
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Cutler Family, Bucks
Bennell Family, Bucks
Sellwood Family, Berks
Smith Family, Berks
Hardie Family, Lancs/Scotland
Fish Family, Yorks/Lincs
Banks Family, Worcs/Warwicks
Clements Family, Wilts/London
Briant Family, Berkshire
Knott Family, Berkshire
Darkins Family, Kent
Gadd Family, Lancs
Coffin Family, Lancs/Flint/Cheshire
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matt94
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6. HARRIOTT DEAN - 28 Aug 1796
7. HARRIOT LEA 2 Oct 1796
8. HARIOT WITNEY 16 oct 1796
9. HARRIOTT HARDY -16 May 1796
10. HARIOT SHORE - 16 Oct 1796
11. HARRIOTT HOGG 14 Aug 1796
12. HARIOTT LEWIS 26 June 1796
13. HARRIOTT MANWARING -7 Aug 1796
14. HARIOT DUNBAVAND - 16 Oct 1796
3. HARRIOTT CARTWRIGHT 15 May 1796
It could be any one of them 
Matt
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Bennell Family, Bucks
Sellwood Family, Berks
Smith Family, Berks
Hardie Family, Lancs/Scotland
Fish Family, Yorks/Lincs
Banks Family, Worcs/Warwicks
Clements Family, Wilts/London
Briant Family, Berkshire
Knott Family, Berkshire
Darkins Family, Kent
Gadd Family, Lancs
Coffin Family, Lancs/Flint/Cheshire
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JDGen
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Hi Matt,
The IGI is not complete. If you go to this site:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/ you can see what the coverage is (although this hasn't been updated for a while it is still a good starting point). You will see that there are no marriage batches for Salford at all.
You need to access the parish records - most records have been filmed and are available at the local records office or libraries - or through the LDS church at their family history centres: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp. You can order the films for a small fee and use their facilities. Not knowing the church will make it difficult, you will have to start with the most obvious and then search nearby parish registers.
Genuki (http://www.genuki.org.uk:8080/big/eng/LAN/Parishes.html) will show you which parishes were conducting marriages at the time you are looking.
Still think that a post on the Lancashire board would be the best option - someone there will have more local knowledge.
Jean
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matt94
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Thanks for your help - I have put out a post in the Lancashire look up requests.
Matt
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Cutler Family, Bucks
Bennell Family, Bucks
Sellwood Family, Berks
Smith Family, Berks
Hardie Family, Lancs/Scotland
Fish Family, Yorks/Lincs
Banks Family, Worcs/Warwicks
Clements Family, Wilts/London
Briant Family, Berkshire
Knott Family, Berkshire
Darkins Family, Kent
Gadd Family, Lancs
Coffin Family, Lancs/Flint/Cheshire
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JDGen
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Link to Lancashire request:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=362997.new
Jean
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