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Topic: 1851 Census for Isaac SWINDAIL (Read 188 times)
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Les de B
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This is a "3 pronged" request for the 1851 Census for Isaac SWINDAIL (I have access to 1841, 1861, 1871 and 1881). Spellings for the surname include SWINDAIL/SWINDELL/SWINDELLS/SWINDALL/SWINDALE etc....
1) Isaac SWINDAIL b.abt 1790 Staffordshire. His wife is Martha, and 2 children Matthew and Judith. In 3 Censuses to 1871 he has always lived in Townhead, Longnor, Staffordshire, with both children. I think wife d.1860. This should be an easy(?) Census to find.
2) Elizabeth LEES born from abt 1800 to abt.1840, and living within the vicinity of Longnor. This only a theory on my part, so no need to look outside this area. She may be the mother of Isaac's SWINDAIL's illegitimate child b.abt 1855?
3) Isaac SWINDAIL with a wife Elizabeth. I have no births, but she would be born from abt 1800 to abt 1840. I presume he would be the same? I'm not too confident with this search as I have been unable to find them in other Censuses.
Hope I'm not asking for too much 
Les
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winston
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HI Les
What is the name of the mystery child whose mother your unsure of?
Wendy
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Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBlakeley in Batley West Yorks Turner in Hanging Heaton West Yorkshire Dann last known area Soothill West Yorks Hirst in Hanging heaton W Yorks Moss in Morley and Leeds Parker in Morley W Yorks Parker in Hull E Yorks Tilburns in Morley W Yorks |
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Elleray Girl
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Alice Gornall (1909 - 1973)
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Hello Les,
1851
The writing is very hard to read and was transcribed as Isaac Pamdail (!!)
HO107; Piece: 2008; Folio: 680; Page: 28
Civil Parish: Longnor
Town: Longnor
County/Island: Staffordshire
Isaac Swindail, 54, Head, Marr, xxxxFarmer 13 acres, Longnor Staffs
Martha Swindail, 60, Wife, Marr, Farmer Wife, Heathglen(?), Staffs
Matthew Swindail, 34, Son, Cannot read occupation, Heathglen(?) staffs
Judith Swindail, 25, Dau, Cannot read occupation, Longnor Staffs
Hope this helps a little 
Karen
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Elleray (Cumberland), Wren (Keswick), Parker (L'Pool and Cheshire), Bray (Cheshire), Gornall (Lancashire), Smithies (L'Pool), Rainford (West Kirby), Pinches (Shropshire and Wirral), Wilson, Walton and Merrick (Haddenham, Bucks)
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winston
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HI
Isaac Occ reads as Stone Mason as does Matthews. Judiths occ reads as Dressmaker.
Wendy
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Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBlakeley in Batley West Yorks Turner in Hanging Heaton West Yorkshire Dann last known area Soothill West Yorks Hirst in Hanging heaton W Yorks Moss in Morley and Leeds Parker in Morley W Yorks Parker in Hull E Yorks Tilburns in Morley W Yorks |
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Les de B
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What is the name of the mystery child whose mother your unsure of?
Wendy
Wendy. This is the biggest brickwall of my family research of 10 years. The "mystery" child is William SWINDAIL. According to his Australian Marriage Certificate he was born in Church, Lancashire abt.1855, to parents Isaac SWINDAIL and Elizabeth LEES. My William's Australian Death Certificate indicates his father as William(?!), a stone mason. My William was also a stone mason.
I can find no birth of my William SWINDAIL in England, nor can I find a marriage of his parents. The SWINDAIL spelling variations (as I mentioned in my original posting) do cause some problems.
My William originally came to Australia via New Zealand early 1880's with a David SWINDAIL, another stone mason, but although I can trace this David SWINDAIL through some Censuses, I cannot find a relationship between the two, though I tend to lean towards cousins?
The 1851 Census that Karen supplied (thanks!), is based on the original spelling of Isaac SWINDAIL, stonemason, in the 1841 Census, and then his son, Matthew also being a stonemason in other Censuses.
Although this Isaac SWINDAIL was married to a Martha, I though this Isaac SWINDAIL could have fathered my William with a local girl called Elizabeth LEES, hence my second 1851 Census request.
My third 1851 Census request was just to see if there was a family with Isaac SWINDAIL (stonemason(?), with a wife Elizabeth, who was old/young enough to have my William abt.1855.
So, that's the saga of my William SWINDAIL. Hope it hasn't confused you, because I get confused, and I wrote it 
Thanks again for your interest.
Les
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Les de B
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Hi Megan
Thanks so much for your attempt.
You obsessed for 24 hours? I've been obsessed for 10 years with this ancestor! Although you say you had no luck with my brickwall, at least something positive(?) has come out of it. That being my last toss of the dice has been thrown regarding this line of inquiry. I now have to "look outside this circle" competely, and try something totally lateral. As the original information was supplied on William Swindail's Wedding Certificate one would think it would be correct, he supplying that information. Obviously, its wrong, maybe he was going on something he was told when he was a child, but got the information mixed up by the time he reached adulthood.
I have looked at other similar Williams born in other Counties, but have discounted them. Perhaps I should go back, and delve deeper into their records, and hope that I can jag a vital link which may positively identify him.
Once again, I thank you very much - your time and effort was greatly appreciated.
Les
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