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adamthomas
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Rifle Volunteers 1860s
« on: Saturday 21 February 09 23:02 UTC (UK) »

Hi All

My other post (on Friday) was a picture which someone has ID'd as 1860s - Riffle Volunteers, Staff Sergent. I'm now trying to work out who it is but not sure where to start, the most likely i think is George Cox b1826 in Burgh Castle, Norfolk. Married Mary and had 7 children, including Edgar (my great great grandfather)

Have attached the pic for info.

Any info anyone can find would be, as always, greatfully received. Or just point me in the right direction. Done some searches on the net but not got anywhere.

Adam


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Thomas - Hertfordshire, Pembrokeshire
Storey - Hertfordshire, London
Cox - Hertfordshire, Norfolk
Marshall - Hertfordshire
Briden - Hertfordshire
adamthomas
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Re: Rifle Volunteers 1860s
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 28 February 09 11:46 UTC (UK) »

Edited post slightly. Im happy to do the 'donkey work' if someone can point me in the right direction. Many Thanks
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adamthomas
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Re: Rifle Volunteers 1860s
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 21 May 09 09:15 UTC (UK) »

Sorry to bring this up again but ive still not got anywhere with above. anyone got any suggestions?
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Cox - Hertfordshire, Norfolk
Marshall - Hertfordshire
Briden - Hertfordshire
km1971
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Re: Rifle Volunteers 1860s
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 21 May 09 10:43 UTC (UK) »

Hi Adam

The rifle volunteers were revived in 1859. They later became the VBs (Volunteer Battalions) attached to regular infantry regiments in the 1880s. Later still (1908) they became the TF (Territorial Force) and finally TA. Very few RV records are in Kew. Most, which aren’t in private hands (ie effectively lost), are in local record offices. So it is important that you establish where he was living in the 1860s, and then contact the local record office. Local newspapers might have something, as would an obituary, or a will.

Can you post details from any census you have found him in? And if any of his children were born in exotic places this would be useful.

If you have the original photograph you need to try and provide more pixels of both the helmet plate and the badge on the shoulder belt in the centre of the chest. That means rescanning it using your scanner’s highest resolution setting. The local regimental museum may be able to confirm his corps.

Most senior NCOs had previous experience with the regular forces. For men discharged before 1873 you need to know the regiment to research them in Kew. But if you wait until 2011 Findmypast will be putting surviving records online and then you will be able to do a name search.

Ken
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adamthomas
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Re: Rifle Volunteers 1860s
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 21 May 09 11:05 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for that Ken.

Will re-scan when i get a chance later and if i can get scanner to work (stupidly upgraded to vista and now it doesn't work)

The 1861 census has George Cox at the age of 34 living in the civil parish - Great Yarmouth, St Nicholas and place of birth as Burgh Castle, Norfolk. Had 7 children, all of which i believe were born in Norfolk. The oldest being Edgar Cox born 1864 in Great Yarmouth.

Thanks for your help.

Adam
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adamthomas
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Re: Rifle Volunteers 1860s
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 21 May 09 12:28 UTC (UK) »

ive re-scanned at 1200dpi but it doesnt let me attach it here, have reduced image size so i can post it, i have kept the original (3.5mb)


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adamthomas
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Re: Rifle Volunteers 1860s
« Reply #6 on: Friday 22 May 09 11:20 UTC (UK) »

this is the best i can do with the belt.


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km1971
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Re: Rifle Volunteers 1860s
« Reply #7 on: Friday 22 May 09 12:52 UTC (UK) »

Hi Adam

Firstly you should take a copy of the 3.5mb file.

Open one copy with say MS Paint. The toolbox is on the left. In the toobox is the square made up of dashes (top right in the toolbox).

Pull a square around the helmet plate, using the left mouse button. Press Ctrl C (ie copy). Then Ctrl N (ie for a new blank sheet). Press Ctrl V (ie paste).

Then Save As - say 'Helmet plate'. The file should be small enough to load on here.

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Open a 3.5 Mb file again. It is not the waist belt clasp - that is a snake. It is the cross belt going from his left shoulder. In the middle is another badge.

I have sent my email address to you via a PM. If you have any problems send the 3.5 Mb file to me.

Ken
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Re: Rifle Volunteers 1860s
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 02 July 09 13:58 UTC (UK) »

despite km1971's help, i am still unsure who this gentleman is. is there anywhere else i can try and find info? or someone i can ask? i would love to solve this mystery and put a name to the picture. Thanks again everyone.
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Storey - Hertfordshire, London
Cox - Hertfordshire, Norfolk
Marshall - Hertfordshire
Briden - Hertfordshire
km1971
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Re: Rifle Volunteers 1860s
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 02 July 09 20:41 UTC (UK) »

Hi Adam

This is the bit you need to look at (plus the helmet plate)



Ken
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Re: Rifle Volunteers 1860s
« Reply #10 on: Friday 03 July 09 10:08 UTC (UK) »

is there anywhere i can get the image enhanced? i just dont think the original is clear enough.
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Thomas - Hertfordshire, Pembrokeshire
Storey - Hertfordshire, London
Cox - Hertfordshire, Norfolk
Marshall - Hertfordshire
Briden - Hertfordshire
km1971
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Re: Rifle Volunteers 1860s
« Reply #11 on: Friday 03 July 09 13:43 UTC (UK) »

You cannot invent pixels that are not there - unless you know someone in the FBI.

You could hawk it around the army museums in any area you think he may have been living.

Ken
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adamthomas
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Re: Rifle Volunteers 1860s
« Reply #12 on: Friday 03 July 09 13:45 UTC (UK) »

thanks. might just be one of those unsolved mysteries.
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