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RebeccaNZ
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illegitimate children and adoption 1890's
« on: Sunday 05 July 09 05:33 UTC (UK) »
Hi,

My great grandmother - Alice Maud Powell/Gregory born circa 1890, Glamorgan, Wales was adopted.

Luckily - it looks like it was a family adoption so at least I might be able to find out her real parents.

My question is - were illegitimate birth's recorded back then? And does anyone have any recommendation's about finding out who her birth parents were?

Any help or advice would be really appreciated  Smiley

Rebecca
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Spidermonkey
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Re: illegitimate children and adoption 1890's
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 05 July 09 07:58 UTC (UK) »
Hi Rebecca,

All births should have been registered, whether they were illegitimate or not.  So in theory, somewhere your Gt grandmother would have been registered.

Have you checked on the censuses for Alice's place of birth?
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RebeccaNZ
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Re: illegitimate children and adoption 1890's
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 05 July 09 08:03 UTC (UK) »
Hi,

Yeah, I have and they say two different places - but both in Glamorgan, Wales.

It was possible for people not to register birth's though?

Thanks Smiley

Hopefully, I will find the right certificate!
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lesleyhannah
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Re: illegitimate children and adoption 1890's
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 05 July 09 08:09 UTC (UK) »
I also have an example of an adoptive mother registering the birth of the child as her own - believe me it took ages to sort that one out! When I had my kids the registrar already had a list recording their birth date and place. However, at the turn of the last century it would seem from my example that a woman could go along and register the birth of a baby, without producing any proof that she'd given birth at all. In this case the birth is registered as happening in her own home.

As far as we know the child was never registered by his real mother (who we still haven't found!)

So I hope you have better luck with your search.
Lesley
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Re: illegitimate children and adoption 1890's
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 05 July 09 08:20 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: RebeccaNZ on Sunday 05 July 09 08:03 UTC (UK)
Hi,

Yeah, I have and they say two different places - but both in Glamorgan, Wales.

It was possible for people not to register birth's though?

Thanks Smiley

Hopefully, I will find the right certificate!

Have you had a look at the parish records of the two places to see if there was a baptism for Alice? 

Just out of curiousity, could you post the census references so we can see the family in question?

Fingers crossed you'll find the right parents!  Smiley
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RebeccaNZ
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Re: illegitimate children and adoption 1890's
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 05 July 09 08:24 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: lesleyhannah on Sunday 05 July 09 08:09 UTC (UK)
I also have an example of an adoptive mother registering the birth of the child as her own - believe me it took ages to sort that one out! When I had my kids the registrar already had a list recording their birth date and place. However, at the turn of the last century it would seem from my example that a woman could go along and register the birth of a baby, without producing any proof that she'd given birth at all. In this case the birth is registered as happening in her own home.

As far as we know the child was never registered by his real mother (who we still haven't found!)

So I hope you have better luck with your search.
Lesley

Hi Lesley Smiley

At the moment I really don't think that I am ever going to find out who her real parents were, sadly.

At least in 1891 census she is listed as a niece with the last name Powell. So, that gives me something to go on - the family obviously weren't thinking of her as a daughter at that point even though she was living with them from a young age.

There are heaps of birth records for around the same time for Alice Maud Powell's - but even if I ordered them all I don't really have much to go on in terms of knowing which one is her and having a piece of info that would separate her from the other Alice Maud's because I don't know who her parents are or an exact place of birth or even date.
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RebeccaNZ
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Re: illegitimate children and adoption 1890's
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 05 July 09 08:33 UTC (UK) »
Yep, here they are ....
1891 census has been transcribed incorrectly. It took me ages to find ...

1891: Graisyn, Helfa Houses, Glystaff, Glamorgan
Robert George (Gregory on Image) 42 Head Quarryman Cardiff, Glamorgan
Mary George (Gregory on Image) 38 Wife Merthyr, Glamorgan
Robert Henry Collins 11 Nephew Cardiff
Albert C Dgregory 5 Nephew Pontypridd, Glamorgan
Alice M Rowell ( looks like Powell/Powill on Image) 22 Neice (says 2 on image) Neath, Glamorgan

1901
63 Hughes Place, Eglwysilan, Pontypridd
Robert Hugh Gregory 53 - Pennant? stone quarry man - b Cardiff
Mary Rosina Gregory 49 - b Merthyr
Albert Charles Gregory 15 - Coalminer C Hewer
Alice Maud Gregory 14 - Daug
Willie Gregory 10
Blodwen Cousins 5 - Neice
others b Pontypridd

Here is a link to my post about Alice Maud in the Glamorgan section of the forum ....

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,390641.0.html

Rebecca Smiley
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Re: illegitimate children and adoption 1890's
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 05 July 09 08:55 UTC (UK) »
Eurgh!  They really mangled that transcription!  I'm not surprised it took you a while to find!
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