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Christie Smith Arbroath Angus
« on: Wednesday 25 February 09 20:26 UTC (UK) »

Hi I have just started a family tree and discovered a great aunt  Jane Ann Christie born 17 February 1866 married a William Smith, Joiner, Widower in Arbroath on 27 July 1926.  8 Maule Street, Arbroath is the address they lived at.

Another aunt, Jane Ann's sister is named Maggie Christie, born 13 December 1867, died 1958.  There has been some talk of two sisters who had a haberdashery shop in Arbroath late 1800's early 1900's, wondered if it was them, the shop could have been in the High Street, Arbroath.

Jane Ann died in 1943.  She had a daughter Jemima Irvine Emslie Christie  in 1884.  Jemima's fathers name on the birth certificate is a Robert Emslie, Farmers Son of Luthermuir, Parish of Marykirk. 

I wondered if William Smith had family in his first marriage.  His father was a David Smith, Manager.  Mother Agnes Smith nee Adam. 

Also, would I be able to trace Robert Emslie?

I would be grateful for any information received.  Many thanks.   
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Re: Christie Smith Arbroath Angus
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 25 February 09 21:10 UTC (UK) »

Hi Marylogue

Welcome to RootsChat  Smiley

From the information you provided for the reputed father, Robert Emslie, this looks a possibility for him in the 1881 census:

Richard Emslie 56, farmer Of 50 Acres All Arable , b. Fettercairn, Kincardine
Annie Emslie 55, b. Logie Pert, Forfar
Susan Emslie 28, b. Marykirk
Robert Emslie 18, b. Marykirk
Jessie Emslie 14, b. Marykirk
Wilhelmina Emslie 4, b. Marykirk

Address: N. Mains Of Luther, Marykirk

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Re: Christie Smith Arbroath Angus
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 25 February 09 21:17 UTC (UK) »

Many many thanks.   I was unsure how to go about this as I just started on the tree a few weeks ago and have been struggling a little bit.  It is so amazing what you can find out. 
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Re: Christie Smith Arbroath Angus
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 26 February 09 09:33 UTC (UK) »

Hi Marylogue

Sad ending to Jemima's life by the sounds of it  Cry

Not sure what you have by way of census information for the family. If you have any gaps, let us know and we can hopefully find those years. This for example looks to be Mary Jane with daughter Jemima and sister Maggie in 1891:

Jane Ann Christie 25, head, housekeeper, b. Fettercairn
Jemima Christie 7, daughter, b. Fettercairn
Maggie Christie 25, sister, Flax Spinner, b. Fettercairn

Address: 37 West Newgate, Arbroath

Did Jane Ann and Maggie's mother, Margaret Ferrier remarry? This looks like Jemima, showing as 'niece' in 1901:

Alexander Rae 53, Railway Surfaceman, b. Macher, Aberdeenshire
Margaret Ferrior Rae 57, b. Marykirk
Jemima I Emslie 17, niece, dressmaker, b. Fettercairn, Kincardineshire

Address: Brachead, Benholm, Kincardineshire

Also, for the 1901 census, not sure about Jane Ann having a haberdashery shop, she shows as a domestic cook, age 33, working at the Bremner household at Dundee Road Fot Wm Ho, in St Andrews, Angus.

Monica  Smiley

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Re: Christie Smith Arbroath Angus
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 26 February 09 09:46 UTC (UK) »

Maybe a possible will for Alexander Christie, father of Jane Ann and Maggie, showing on Scotlands People. The family farmed at Mossend Farm. Alexander was showing as age 70 in 1881. There is an entry for wills which is possible:

Alexander Christie, 31/08/1887 - Grocer, Mossend Cottage, Parish of Fettercairn, County of Kincardine, d. 18/10/1885 at Mossend Cottage aforesaid, testate - Stonehaven Sheriff Court    (SC5/41/31)

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Re: Christie Smith Arbroath Angus
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 26 February 09 10:02 UTC (UK) »

This looks a possible entry for William Smith in the 1901 census which you could verify by looking at this marriage cert. and his parents' details (there is a marriage showing for them in Arbroath in 1892):

William Smith 3, joiner, b. Arbroath
Jessie Skinner/Smith 30, b. Logie Pert, Forfarshire
David A Smith 5, b. Arbroath

Address: 33 Lochland St, Arbroath

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Re: Christie Smith Arbroath Angus
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 26 February 09 10:16 UTC (UK) »

Jane Ann and Maggies mother was Margaret Ferrier born 1843, died 1914.  I believe she did remarry again as she would have been 42 when her first husband Alexander Christie died.   

It looks like Jemima would have gone to her Grandmother Margaret Ferrier after leaving school and then possibly returning to Arbroath years later to live with her mother and new stepfather.

William Smith and Jane Ann, moved to 8 Maule Street after their marriage.  Before their marriage William Smith lived at 33 Lochland Street and Jane Ann at 15 Lochland Street.
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Re: Christie Smith Arbroath Angus
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 26 February 09 17:33 UTC (UK) »

Hi - thank you I now have a copy of Alexander Christie's will he lived at Mossend Cottage, Mossend Farm.  He is noted as being a grocer, I assume he had a farm shop, "and in consequence of the uncertain health of my eldest son Charles Christie, to allow my second son William Ramsay Christiet o enter into the lease".  Thank you for letting me now about this.

I just wonder when Jemima went back to arbroath after the age of 17.

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Re: Christie Smith Arbroath Angus
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 26 February 09 20:40 UTC (UK) »

Might be clearer for you with the release of the the 1911 census which, sadly for Scotland, is still 2 years away.

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Re: Christie Smith Arbroath Angus
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 26 February 09 21:01 UTC (UK) »

A long long wait...2 years, when you want to find an answer   Sad
To find out if Robert Emslie ever married and had children will I have to go to Scotlands People, or where do you recommend.    Many thanks once again.
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Re: Christie Smith Arbroath Angus
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 26 February 09 21:38 UTC (UK) »

Robert looks to have taken over his father's farm by the look of his likely 1901 census entry:

Robert Emslie 38, farmer, b. Marykirk
Caroline Emslie 26, b. Maryton, Forfarshire
Annie Emslie 6, b. Marykirk
William Emslie 4, b. Marykirk
Lizzie Emslie 2, b. Marykirk
Robert Emslie 6 months
William Littlejohn 71, uncle, farm lab., b. Logie Pert, Forfarshire
Margaret Barber 15, servant

North Mains Of Leether Farm Ho, Marykirk

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Re: Christie Smith Arbroath Angus
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 26 February 09 21:44 UTC (UK) »

Thank you so much.   Jemima Christie daughter of Robert Emslie (on her birth certificate) was back in that area in 1901 according to your message earlier.   
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Re: Christie Smith Arbroath Angus
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 01 March 09 14:40 UTC (UK) »

Hi Marylogue

Sad ending to Jemima's life by the sounds of it  Cry

Not sure what you have by way of census information for the family. If you have any gaps, let us know and we can hopefully find those years. This for example looks to be Mary Jane with daughter Jemima and sister Maggie in 1891:

Jane Ann Christie 25, head, housekeeper, b. Fettercairn
Jemima Christie 7, daughter, b. Fettercairn
Maggie Christie 25, sister, Flax Spinner, b. Fettercairn

Address: 37 West Newgate, Arbroath

Did Jane Ann and Maggie's mother, Margaret Ferrier remarry? This looks like Jemima, showing as 'niece' in 1901:

Alexander Rae 53, Railway Surfaceman, b. Macher, Aberdeenshire
Margaret Ferrior Rae 57, b. Marykirk
Jemima I Emslie 17, niece, dressmaker, b. Fettercairn, Kincardineshire

Address: Brachead, Benholm, Kincardineshire

Also, for the 1901 census, not sure about Jane Ann having a haberdashery shop, she shows as a domestic cook, age 33, working at the Bremner household at Dundee Road Fot Wm Ho, in St Andrews, Angus.

Monica  Smiley


I am having great difficulty sourcing a death certificate for Jane Ann and Maggie, can you give me some guidance as how and where to find it please?
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Re: Christie Smith Arbroath Angus
« Reply #13 on: Monday 02 March 09 21:03 UTC (UK) »

I have finally found death certificates for Jane Ann and Maggie.  Thank you for all your help.
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