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patrish
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Re: Rachel Cutler
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 26 February 09 21:56 UTC (UK) »
I cant find William and family in 1841  here they are in 1851

HO107/1719/494/10

Gt. Marlowe, Bucks. Lane End.


Wm 40 Chair Maker
Ann wife 40
Edwin 16
Isaac 15
Rueben 13
Ellen 11
Emma 8
Jane 6
Elizabeth.

then in 1861 we have still living in Lane End.  RG9/858/115/19

Wm 50 widower
Jane 15
Elizabeth 12
Wm 9
Henry 5

All children born Lane End. Gt, Marlowe, Bucks but no sign of Rachel Cutler b 1852 in Hambleden Huh
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matt94
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Re: Rachel Cutler
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 26 February 09 21:58 UTC (UK) »
Yes thanks for that:

1841 is:
Wm 1810
Ann 1810
Edwin 1834
Isaac 1836
Reuben 1838
Ellen 1840

Reuben is my ggg grandfather.

Matt
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Re: Rachel Cutler
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 26 February 09 22:13 UTC (UK) »
I cant unravel this mystery but I feel  it all points to Rachel not being the daughter of Wm Cutler as all his children were born in Gt. Marlowe.

This looks like Williams first marriage to Ann.

IGI extracted record

William Cutler to Ann Harris  9.4. 1834 Dorney, Buckingham.
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Re: Rachel Cutler
« Reply #18 on: Friday 27 February 09 00:27 UTC (UK) »
1851 Living Spittal St. Gt. Marlowe

James Steele h.m. 28 Cooper Journeyman b Sussex, Chichester
Mary Ann wife 28 b Amersham
John son 4 b Chesham
James son 1 b Gt. Marlowe
George son 3mths     "
Catherine Wiltshire  sister in law 13 Nurse Maid b Amersham


Marriage March q.  1848  Amersham ..James Steele to Mary Ann Wilshire 6 - 378
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Re: Rachel CUTLER
« Reply #19 on: Friday 27 February 09 16:11 UTC (UK) »
Well... Shall I include her in my tree or not? She [according to the records] did not exist apart from the 1871 appearance - my thoughts are she did not exist. But why be called Rachel Cutler and be living as 'dau' of someone random?

Matt
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patrish
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Re: Rachel CUTLER
« Reply #20 on: Friday 27 February 09 16:41 UTC (UK) »
I am afraid I cant answer that question.

It would seem to me that she is not the biological  daughter of Wm Cutler but we cannot prove it.

I have been trying in vain to find the death of James Steele between 1851 and 1861 (complete index's)  to see whether he could be Rachels father but I cant find one in Bucks. Have asked my friend to check in case I have missed anything.

This lady is a real mystery, I have searched the 1861 for any female Wiltshire, Steele or Cutler b. circa 1853 born in  Hambleden, Bucks but nothing fits. Sad  I have also tried just searching for any Rachel as well.

It was not uncommon to take others children in and bring them up as your own in those days, especially if the family had fallen on hard times, maybe this is the case with her, I just dont know.
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Re: Rachel CUTLER
« Reply #21 on: Friday 27 February 09 16:45 UTC (UK) »
Ok well... Mary Ann is a hard one to trace - I have her baptism date and marriage cert to William but I cannot find her death reg  Huh

I've never had real problems with this side of the family... but this is a big problem! For example my great-grandfather Harry Clements was born London in 1887 and raised in the Wiltshire countryside with complete strangers. So suppose it was not uncommon.

Thanks for all your help, I shan't include her in the records.

Matt Smiley
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Re: Rachel CUTLER
« Reply #22 on: Friday 27 February 09 17:07 UTC (UK) »
Hi Matt (and Patrish)

I would keep a note of Rachel Cutler and where you found her, but you can't properly add her into your tree because you don't know who she is yet. 

Rachel may have been her middle name and she could be somewhere listed under her other forename, but I have looked all over for her under any names and variations I can think of, and she seems to have come out of thin air and vanished again!  It's possible she was adopted into the family - or she could have been entered on the 1871 census as daughter by mistake, as the two boys seem to be mistakenly entered as nephews

The only Rachel I can see in 1861 b.1853 Hambleden is a Rachel Stallwood and she is in the 1871 census too, so not her.


There is a possible death for James STEEL Sep 1855 Wycombe  3a    219
so it is possible he was Rachel's father


Kind regards,
Barbara
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Re: Rachel CUTLER
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 28 February 09 10:13 UTC (UK) »
I have their marriage cert taken from the parish records

Lane End
May 5 1866
William cutler / 52 / widower / Chairmaker / Lane End / William Cutler / Farmer
Mary Ann Steel / 46 / widow / Domestic Serv / Gt Marlow / John Wilsher / Malter

William Cutler                  Geo William Sharp
Mary Ann Steel                 Jane Cutler

Banns were published 8th, 15th, 22nd April 1866.

Matt
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